Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)

dwaynenancy dwaynenancy at cox.net
Fri Feb 25 06:13:47 AKST 2005 

Everyone forgets about the "spirit" of the rules in any contest.  Racing is 
a prime example.  Do you remember Bob Violett's FAI Bobcat.  FAI rules 
called for two wheels so he and Telford put two wheels on the centerline of 
the airplane while everyone else had two wheels mounted normally.  Look at 
what happened to Quickie racing.  Supposed to have been designed as an event 
for "beginners" so that they could  progress into Formula 1.  Anywhere you 
have set rules and a spirit of the rules if it isn't written in PLAIN 
wording the rules will be bent beyond the originator's idea and will become 
something not intended.  Dwayne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lockhart" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)


> Buddy,
>
> Some further thoughts on your post -
>
> If the current rules are not enforced, or more practically, the spirit of
> the rules are not enforced, that is a problem - the solution would be to
> enforce the rules to the extent that the spirit of the rules is 
> maintained.
> As has been pointed out by many (and I agree), the overwhelming majority 
> of
> pilots (including me) and CDs are not going to seek to disqualify or
> disallow a pilot at any level in any class simply because they have a
> current day design that is marginally overweight - because it does not
> provide a significant competitive advantage and pattern as a whole is not
> better served by forcing someone out of the event who has a marginally
> overweight plane that was/is designed to the spirit of the rules.
>
> Granted, the Nationals are a different level of competition and at that
> level, the rules should be enforced and anyone planning to compete at that
> level should be prepared to meet not only the spirit of the rules but the
> specific letter of the rules as well.
>
> Generating a new rule to take the place of a rule that has been arguably
> abused is very unlikely to be an effective solution - it will only be a
> matter of time before the new rule is similarly abused and the cycle will
> eventually repeat with more losses to the numbers in the pattern community
> due to increased costs.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Lockhart
> DaveL322 at comcast.net
>
>
>> > >         ----- Original  Message -----
>> > >         From:  BUDDYonRC at aol.com
>> > >         To:  discussion at nsrca.org
>> > >         Sent: Thursday,  February 24, 2005 1:33 PM
>> > >         Subject:  Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >     Since the whole message was to large to post following is  my
> opinion.
>> > >
>> > >         After a thorough  weighted comparison of the items listed in
> my
>> > previous post I have arrived at  the following conclusions.
>> > >
>> > >           It is most important that we strive to make pattern an
> inclusive
>> > sport, which  I feel is necessary to increase participation in the
> future. In
>> > order to do  that one of the first item that should be addressed is 
>> > that
> of
>> > eliminating the  illegitimate double standard in the weight rule. There
> are two
>> > possible  solutions; the first would be to enforce all rules, which 
>> > many
> agree
>> > in this  case would not be in patterns best interest. That leaves us
> with
>> > only one  solution and that is to change the rule.
>> > >
>> > >          In doing that we must consider the  overall impact of such a
>> > change to insure that it serves to protect all the  other aspects
> concerned as much
>> > as possible. After careful review and  acknowledging that maintaining
> the
>> > two-meter rule is in fact the limiting  design criteria for pattern I
> suggest
>> > that a change in the rule upward to  twelve pounds or in light of
> current FAI
>> > considerations, to 5.5K would be an  appropriate solution.
>> > >
>> > >         This  change could possibly effect other aspects of pattern
> design
>> > in the future but  given the known requirements some of which are 
>> > listed
> in my
>> > previous post that  are necessary and practiced extensively today I 
>> > have
>> > little fear that this  change will result in any major design changes
> that would
>> > present a problem or  afford anyone an unfair advantage in the near
> future.
>> > >
>> > >   If you study the items in my previous post it will  also become
> apparent
>> > that there are many listed that offer the potential to  increase our
>> > participation and make pattern more inclusive.
>> > >
>> > >         Should anyone have any other items  to offer that I should
> include
>> > which may require further evaluation concerning  my conclusions and
> suggested
>> > weight change please forward them to me.
>> > >
>> > >         Buddy Brammer
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >   Lance
>> > >     In my evaluation the rules need  to apply to Pattern as a whole.
> With
>> > the two meter size limit builders will  utilize the rules of
> aerodynamics to
>> > achieve the optimum design and weight  becomes a moot issue for all
> classes.
>> > >     Buddy
>> > >
>> >
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>> >
>> > Jim
>> > Why are most all top pilots flying airplanes that they claim weigh in
> the
>> > neighborhood of nine and a half pounds. This is the first time I have
> heard
>> > that heavy fly's better, at least in respect to pattern performance,
> explain to
>> > me how this can be true.
>> > Buddy
>> >
>> >
>>
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