Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
Jim Ivey
jivey61 at bellsouth.net
Thu Feb 24 19:21:20 AKST 2005
Buddy
You hit the nail on the head.They claim....
Jim Ivey
>
> From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com
> Date: 2005/02/24 Thu PM 11:09:35 EST
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
>
>
> In a message dated 2/24/2005 9:45:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> jivey61 at bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Bob
> I assume you want to disregard the 11 lb limit. You will have advantage over
> the 9.5 lb plane. The 12.5 lb plane will be much more stable in the wind
> than the 9.5 lb plane. The engines of today will handle the heavier plane just
> as well as the 9.5 lb plane. The difference is you're more stable because
> of your weight. Now if you throw in the weight limit 11 lbs that makes you not
> legal.
> I have a 6.25lb Daddy Rabbit that I had to add 1 lb lead to the CG to calm
> the plane down so I could fly it smoothly .
> Same thing.
> Don't know if this is a rational reason to be legal or not,but there is an
> advantage to a heavier plane.
>
> Jim Ivey
> >
> > From: "Bob Pastorello" <rcaerobob at cox.net>
> > Date: 2005/02/24 Thu PM 10:19:36 EST
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
> >
> > Let's say I decide, for my own reasons, that I want to fly a 12.5lb (dry)
> 2M pattern airplane against 9.5 lb (dry) 2M pattern airplanes in Masters
> class.
> >
> > Somebody, anybody, give me a rational reason why I should NOT be "legal"
> to fly at a sanctioned event?
> >
> > Bob Pastorello
> > NSRCA 199 AMA 46373
> > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > www.rcaerobats.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Lockhart
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
> >
> >
> > Buddy,
> >
> > Do the rules of aerodynamics include things like wing loading and power
> loading? Both of those will be dramatically effected by a change in the
> weight limit (up or down). With unlimited displacement and 2x2m maximum
> dimensions available, weight is very much a design factor.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > "Lance
> > In my evaluation the rules need to apply to Pattern as a whole. With the
> two meter size limit builders will utilize the rules of aerodynamics to
> achieve the optimum design and weight becomes a moot issue for all classes.
> > Buddy "
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/24/2005 7:25:59 PM Central Standard Time,
> patterndude at comcast.net writes:
> > Buddy,
> > One good idea that I didn't see in your list was the onelwhere the
> weight limit for the Advanced-thru-FAI classes remains the same but the limit
> for Sportsmand/Intermediate is raised. This really makes sense to me. We are
> all comfortable with advancing difficulty in sequences. Well, building light
> is also a learned skill and sometimes requires more $$ comittment. Pilots
> grow in flying, building, trimming skills. Why subject sportsman to FAI
> building rules?
> > --Lance
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:33 PM
> > Subject: Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
> >
> >
> > Since the whole message was to large to post following is my opinion.
> >
> > After a thorough weighted comparison of the items listed in my
> previous post I have arrived at the following conclusions.
> >
> > It is most important that we strive to make pattern an inclusive
> sport, which I feel is necessary to increase participation in the future. In
> order to do that one of the first item that should be addressed is that of
> eliminating the illegitimate double standard in the weight rule. There are two
> possible solutions; the first would be to enforce all rules, which many agree
> in this case would not be in patterns best interest. That leaves us with
> only one solution and that is to change the rule.
> >
> > In doing that we must consider the overall impact of such a
> change to insure that it serves to protect all the other aspects concerned as much
> as possible. After careful review and acknowledging that maintaining the
> two-meter rule is in fact the limiting design criteria for pattern I suggest
> that a change in the rule upward to twelve pounds or in light of current FAI
> considerations, to 5.5K would be an appropriate solution.
> >
> > This change could possibly effect other aspects of pattern design
> in the future but given the known requirements some of which are listed in my
> previous post that are necessary and practiced extensively today I have
> little fear that this change will result in any major design changes that would
> present a problem or afford anyone an unfair advantage in the near future.
> >
> > If you study the items in my previous post it will also become apparent
> that there are many listed that offer the potential to increase our
> participation and make pattern more inclusive.
> >
> > Should anyone have any other items to offer that I should include
> which may require further evaluation concerning my conclusions and suggested
> weight change please forward them to me.
> >
> > Buddy Brammer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lance
> > In my evaluation the rules need to apply to Pattern as a whole. With
> the two meter size limit builders will utilize the rules of aerodynamics to
> achieve the optimum design and weight becomes a moot issue for all classes.
> > Buddy
> >
>
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> Jim
> Why are most all top pilots flying airplanes that they claim weigh in the
> neighborhood of nine and a half pounds. This is the first time I have heard
> that heavy fly's better, at least in respect to pattern performance, explain to
> me how this can be true.
> Buddy
>
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