Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)

Jim Ivey jivey61 at bellsouth.net
Thu Feb 24 19:21:20 AKST 2005


Buddy
 You hit the nail on the head.They claim....

Jim Ivey
> 
> From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com
> Date: 2005/02/24 Thu PM 11:09:35 EST
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
> 
>  
> In a message dated 2/24/2005 9:45:04 PM Central Standard Time,  
> jivey61 at bellsouth.net writes:
> 
> Bob
> I  assume you want to disregard the 11 lb limit. You will have advantage over 
> the  9.5 lb plane. The 12.5 lb plane will be much more stable in the wind 
> than the  9.5 lb plane. The engines of today will handle the heavier plane just 
> as well  as the 9.5 lb plane.   The difference is you're more stable because  
> of your weight. Now if you throw in the weight limit 11 lbs that makes you not  
> legal.
> I have a 6.25lb Daddy Rabbit that I had to add 1 lb lead to the CG  to calm 
> the plane down so I could fly it smoothly . 
> Same thing.   
> Don't know if this is a rational reason to be legal or not,but there is an  
> advantage to a heavier plane.
> 
> Jim Ivey
> > 
> > From: "Bob  Pastorello" <rcaerobob at cox.net>
> > Date: 2005/02/24 Thu PM 10:19:36  EST
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: Weight rules  discussion ( my opinion)
> > 
> > Let's say I decide, for my own  reasons, that I want to fly a 12.5lb (dry) 
> 2M pattern airplane against 9.5 lb  (dry) 2M pattern airplanes in Masters 
> class.
> > 
> > Somebody,  anybody, give me a rational reason why I should NOT be "legal" 
> to fly at a  sanctioned event?
> > 
> > Bob Pastorello
> > NSRCA 199  AMA  46373
> > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > www.rcaerobats.net
> > 
> >  
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From:  David Lockhart 
> >   To: discussion at nsrca.org  
> >   Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:09  PM
> >   Subject: Re: Weight rules discussion ( my  opinion)
> > 
> > 
> >   Buddy,
> >  
> >   Do the rules of aerodynamics include things like wing  loading and power 
> loading?  Both of those will be dramatically effected  by a change in the 
> weight limit (up or down).  With unlimited  displacement and 2x2m maximum 
> dimensions available, weight is very much a  design factor.
> > 
> >   Dave
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >   "Lance 
> >   In my evaluation the rules  need to apply to Pattern as a whole. With the 
> two meter size limit builders  will utilize the rules of aerodynamics to 
> achieve the optimum design and  weight becomes a moot issue for all classes.
> >   Buddy  "
> >     ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com 
> >     To:  discussion at nsrca.org 
> >     Sent: Thursday, February 24,  2005 8:56 PM
> >     Subject: Re: Weight rules discussion (  my opinion)
> > 
> > 
> >     In a message dated  2/24/2005 7:25:59 PM Central Standard Time, 
> patterndude at comcast.net  writes:
> >       Buddy,
> >     One good idea that I didn't see in your list was the onelwhere  the 
> weight limit for the Advanced-thru-FAI classes remains the same but the  limit 
> for Sportsmand/Intermediate is raised.  This really makes sense to  me. We are 
> all comfortable with advancing difficulty in sequences.  Well,  building light 
> is also a learned skill and sometimes requires more $$  comittment.  Pilots 
> grow in flying, building, trimming skills.  Why  subject sportsman to FAI 
> building rules?
> >        --Lance
> > 
> >         ----- Original  Message ----- 
> >         From:  BUDDYonRC at aol.com 
> >         To:  discussion at nsrca.org 
> >         Sent: Thursday,  February 24, 2005 1:33 PM
> >         Subject:  Weight rules discussion ( my opinion)
> > 
> > 
> >     Since the whole message was to large to post following is  my opinion.
> > 
> >         After a thorough  weighted comparison of the items listed in my 
> previous post I have arrived at  the following conclusions.
> > 
> >           It is most important that we strive to make pattern an inclusive 
> sport, which  I feel is necessary to increase participation in the future. In 
> order to do  that one of the first item that should be addressed is that of 
> eliminating the  illegitimate double standard in the weight rule. There are two 
> possible  solutions; the first would be to enforce all rules, which many agree 
> in this  case would not be in patterns best interest. That leaves us with 
> only one  solution and that is to change the rule.        
> >  
> >          In doing that we must consider the  overall impact of such a 
> change to insure that it serves to protect all the  other aspects concerned as much 
> as possible. After careful review and  acknowledging that maintaining the 
> two-meter rule is in fact the limiting  design criteria for pattern I suggest 
> that a change in the rule upward to  twelve pounds or in light of current FAI 
> considerations, to 5.5K would be an  appropriate solution.
> > 
> >         This  change could possibly effect other aspects of pattern design 
> in the future but  given the known requirements some of which are listed in my 
> previous post that  are necessary and practiced extensively today I have 
> little fear that this  change will result in any major design changes that would 
> present a problem or  afford anyone an unfair advantage in the near future.
> > 
> >   If you study the items in my previous post it will  also become apparent 
> that there are many listed that offer the potential to  increase our 
> participation and make pattern more inclusive. 
> >  
> >         Should anyone have any other items  to offer that I should include 
> which may require further evaluation concerning  my conclusions and suggested 
> weight change please forward them to me.
> >  
> >         Buddy Brammer
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   Lance
> >     In my evaluation the rules need  to apply to Pattern as a whole. With 
> the two meter size limit builders will  utilize the rules of aerodynamics to 
> achieve the optimum design and weight  becomes a moot issue for all classes.
> >     Buddy
> >  
> 
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> 
> Jim
> Why are most all top pilots flying airplanes that they claim weigh in  the 
> neighborhood of nine and a half pounds. This is the first time I have  heard 
> that heavy fly's better, at least in respect to pattern performance,  explain to 
> me how this can be true.
> Buddy 
> 
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