Rules don't grow sports!

George Kennie geobet at gis.net
Thu Feb 10 09:45:48 AKST 2005 

I think it was the same year that Mike Ramsey cleaned everybody's clock in
Intermediate with a 52" span Aurum from Great Planes( I think), and on top
of that, the rest of us were all flying 2 meter birds. Kinda begs the
question regarding " SIZE MATTERS".

Bob Kane wrote:

> Like "Boxer" Bob Fortino, won Intermediate at the NATS
> in 2001 (as I recall) with a plans built, OS 61 Hanno
> powered Boxer.
>
> --- Nat Penton <natpenton at centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> > Dave it might be cumberson to detail cost of the
> > Nats winners airplanes. What might be more effective
> > would be to rant and rave about the guy ( poor slob
> > ) that wins/places with a Phoenix 6 or flat plate
> > electric in any contest. This would stress skill
> > over equipment.     Nat
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: DaveL322 at comcast.net
> >   To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >   Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:49 AM
> >   Subject: Re: Rules don't grow sports!
> >
> >
> >   I think it might be very interesting to
> > find/figure out the average cost of planes being
> > flown - not too difficult to put together numbers
> > for the top finishers at the NATs - since the
> > equipment list is published.  I'd be willing to
> > figure that out and share the nubmers.
> >
> >   Obtaining the same data for regional groups would
> > be tougher - and subject to all the pitfalls of any
> > survey.  Perhaps this is something that could be
> > incorporated with an NSRCA survey?  Or, outside of
> > an NSRCA survey, it could be done through polls,
> > websites, etc.  Certainly a lot of room for
> > errors/inaccuracies depending on what data set was
> > generated and how it was interpreted / presented.
> >
> >   Regards,
> >
> >   Dave Lockhart
> >   DaveL322 at comcast.net
> >
> >     -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> >     > Eric:
> >     > Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD
> > that is a comprehensive look at
> >     > our sport? This could include everything a
> > flyer needs to get started,
> >     > demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and
> > interviews of our national
> >     > team...... Demo their personalities and
> > equipment. How did they get
> >     > started? Why are they so into it?? The cost of
> > duplication is so minute
> >     > that it seems silly to try and do something on
> > paper/brochure...
> >     > I think the big thing is perception - one item
> > that hasn't been discussed is
> >     > the amount of money a sport flyer has in their
> > equipment. I won't be
> >     > convinced that it's the money - it's the
> > perception of money in our
> >     > planes..... This, too, could easily be
> > addressed by showing a half-dozen
> >     > ARF's and how to set them! up for pattern and
> > include demo flights on the
> >     > DVD..... People that would consider getting
> > into pattern need to see
> >     > themselves, in their "minds eye", as being
> > successful. They need to be
> >     > introduced to the average pattern participant
> > that doesn't have a pair of
> >     > $3k planes and puts over 500 flights up a
> > season.... to see themselves as
> >     > successful, it must appear immediately
> > accessible.
> >     > Venting complete!
> >     > Pritch
> >     >
> >     > ----- Original Message -----
> >     > From: "Grow Pattern"
> >     > To:
> >     > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
> >     > Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > > It's not the "driving away" that is the
> > problem. It may seem that way, but
> >     > > attrition is normal in any sport. The really
> > big problem is "attraction".
> >     > >
> >     > > I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks
> > joining and the! ages of the
> >     > > folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal
> > . The joining age group is very
> >     > > sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
> >
> >     > >
> >     > > This tree has no soil around its roots.....
> >     > >
> >     > > I would submit to you all that what we
> > debate over size, weight etc. has
> >     > > very little to do with whether a new person
> > joins or not. If you are new,
> >     > > you tend to accept the rules as the
> > challenge, and go fly. You have no
> >     > > history so are not that concerned. There are
> > much brighter lights gaining
> >     > > your attention, not least of which is the
> > thrill of competing.
> >     > >
> >     > > What is more critical than any rule is the
> > complete lack of promotional
> >     > > material, lack of tools for our VP's and
> > members to use to promote our
> >     > > sport. You don't even have a
> > handout/brochure any more. No video to do a
> >     > > "show and tell" at a club night. No formula
> > for growth at all.
> >     > >
> >     > > Imagine if! all of the effort that we put
> > into debating a rule was used to
> >     > > put your teeth into something that we could
> > all use out there at the WRAM
> >     > > or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes
> > running in continuous loops,
> >     > > Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN
> > wake up to the reality of
> >     > > running the judging tape at your booth....
> >     > >
> >     > > I know and acknowledge that there are some
> > individual points of light out
> >     > > there where great work has been done, but it
> > is not a concerted effort or
> >     > > coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
> >     > >
> >     > > It really is time to get the NSRCA
> > galvanized in to some real activities
> >     > > for growth.
> >     > >
> >     > > In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In
> > a sport it is "PROMOTE or
> >     > > PERISH!"
> >     > >
> >     > > Regards,
> >     > >
> >     > > Eric.
> >     > >
> >     > > ----- Original Message! -----
> >     > > From: "Del K. Rykert"
> >     > > To:
> >     > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
> >     > > Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >     > >
> >     > >
> >     > >> Show me the changes in last 20 years that
> > hasn't also turned some
> >     > >> away...? One of the reason not as many
> > participate as once did... Leave
> >     > >> it alone unless you want to drive more
> > away.
> >     > >>
> >     > >> del
> >     > >> nsrca 473
> >     > >>
> >     > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >     > >> From: "Wayne Galligan"
> >     > >> To:
> >     > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
> >     > >> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >     > >>
> >     > >>
> >     > >>> Nat,
> >     > >>>
> >     > >>> Your right... look at the last three years
> > at the Nats and what took top
> >     > >>> honors in th! e masters class.....an ARF
> > that cost less then $600.
> >     > >>>
> >     > >>> WG
> >     > >>>
> >     > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >     > >>> From: "Nat Penton"
> >     > >>> To:
> >     > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
> >     > >>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >     > >>>
> >     > >>>
> >     > >>>> Some of you are over estimating the
> > importance of the airplane and
> >     > >>>> underestimating the potential of the
> > pilot. Nat
> >     > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >     > >>>> From: "Bill Southwell"
> >     > >>>> To:
> >     > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
> >     > >>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >     > >>>>
> >     > >>>> > >>>> > Tom how so? If there are
> > available engin es that actually hold up but
> >     > >>> are
> >     > >>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot
> > cheaper to own both in intial
> >     > >>> purchase
> >     > >>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a
> > more expensive airplane. Cost of
> >     > >>>> > the
> >     > >>>> > present designs are due to the
> > materials
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> =====
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
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