Rules don't grow sports!
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 9 08:48:51 AKST 2005
Like "Boxer" Bob Fortino, won Intermediate at the NATS
in 2001 (as I recall) with a plans built, OS 61 Hanno
powered Boxer.
--- Nat Penton <natpenton at centurytel.net> wrote:
> Dave it might be cumberson to detail cost of the
> Nats winners airplanes. What might be more effective
> would be to rant and rave about the guy ( poor slob
> ) that wins/places with a Phoenix 6 or flat plate
> electric in any contest. This would stress skill
> over equipment. Nat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaveL322 at comcast.net
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Rules don't grow sports!
>
>
> I think it might be very interesting to
> find/figure out the average cost of planes being
> flown - not too difficult to put together numbers
> for the top finishers at the NATs - since the
> equipment list is published. I'd be willing to
> figure that out and share the nubmers.
>
> Obtaining the same data for regional groups would
> be tougher - and subject to all the pitfalls of any
> survey. Perhaps this is something that could be
> incorporated with an NSRCA survey? Or, outside of
> an NSRCA survey, it could be done through polls,
> websites, etc. Certainly a lot of room for
> errors/inaccuracies depending on what data set was
> generated and how it was interpreted / presented.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Lockhart
> DaveL322 at comcast.net
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Eric:
> > Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD
> that is a comprehensive look at
> > our sport? This could include everything a
> flyer needs to get started,
> > demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and
> interviews of our national
> > team...... Demo their personalities and
> equipment. How did they get
> > started? Why are they so into it?? The cost of
> duplication is so minute
> > that it seems silly to try and do something on
> paper/brochure...
> > I think the big thing is perception - one item
> that hasn't been discussed is
> > the amount of money a sport flyer has in their
> equipment. I won't be
> > convinced that it's the money - it's the
> perception of money in our
> > planes..... This, too, could easily be
> addressed by showing a half-dozen
> > ARF's and how to set them! up for pattern and
> include demo flights on the
> > DVD..... People that would consider getting
> into pattern need to see
> > themselves, in their "minds eye", as being
> successful. They need to be
> > introduced to the average pattern participant
> that doesn't have a pair of
> > $3k planes and puts over 500 flights up a
> season.... to see themselves as
> > successful, it must appear immediately
> accessible.
> > Venting complete!
> > Pritch
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Grow Pattern"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
> > Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
> >
> >
> > > It's not the "driving away" that is the
> problem. It may seem that way, but
> > > attrition is normal in any sport. The really
> big problem is "attraction".
> > >
> > > I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks
> joining and the! ages of the
> > > folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal
> . The joining age group is very
> > > sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>
> > >
> > > This tree has no soil around its roots.....
> > >
> > > I would submit to you all that what we
> debate over size, weight etc. has
> > > very little to do with whether a new person
> joins or not. If you are new,
> > > you tend to accept the rules as the
> challenge, and go fly. You have no
> > > history so are not that concerned. There are
> much brighter lights gaining
> > > your attention, not least of which is the
> thrill of competing.
> > >
> > > What is more critical than any rule is the
> complete lack of promotional
> > > material, lack of tools for our VP's and
> members to use to promote our
> > > sport. You don't even have a
> handout/brochure any more. No video to do a
> > > "show and tell" at a club night. No formula
> for growth at all.
> > >
> > > Imagine if! all of the effort that we put
> into debating a rule was used to
> > > put your teeth into something that we could
> all use out there at the WRAM
> > > or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes
> running in continuous loops,
> > > Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN
> wake up to the reality of
> > > running the judging tape at your booth....
> > >
> > > I know and acknowledge that there are some
> individual points of light out
> > > there where great work has been done, but it
> is not a concerted effort or
> > > coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
> > >
> > > It really is time to get the NSRCA
> galvanized in to some real activities
> > > for growth.
> > >
> > > In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In
> a sport it is "PROMOTE or
> > > PERISH!"
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Eric.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message! -----
> > > From: "Del K. Rykert"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> > >
> > >
> > >> Show me the changes in last 20 years that
> hasn't also turned some
> > >> away...? One of the reason not as many
> participate as once did... Leave
> > >> it alone unless you want to drive more
> away.
> > >>
> > >> del
> > >> nsrca 473
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Wayne Galligan"
> > >> To:
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Nat,
> > >>>
> > >>> Your right... look at the last three years
> at the Nats and what took top
> > >>> honors in th! e masters class.....an ARF
> that cost less then $600.
> > >>>
> > >>> WG
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Nat Penton"
> > >>> To:
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Some of you are over estimating the
> importance of the airplane and
> > >>>> underestimating the potential of the
> pilot. Nat
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Bill Southwell"
> > >>>> To:
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > >>>> > Tom how so? If there are
> available engin es that actually hold up but
> > >>> are
> > >>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot
> cheaper to own both in intial
> > >>> purchase
> > >>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a
> more expensive airplane. Cost of
> > >>>> > the
> > >>>> > present designs are due to the
> materials
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Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com
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