Rules don't grow sports!
Michael Ramsey
michaelr at flying-models.com
Thu Feb 10 09:53:23 AKST 2005
I had good luck with that airplane that's for sure. Don't think I cleaned up
with it, but on the calm days it sure was fun showing off. To this day I
still have a .40 size pattern bird handy.
Thanks George, Michael...
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Rules don't grow sports!
> I think it was the same year that Mike Ramsey cleaned everybody's clock in
> Intermediate with a 52" span Aurum from Great Planes( I think), and on top
> of that, the rest of us were all flying 2 meter birds. Kinda begs the
> question regarding " SIZE MATTERS".
>
> Bob Kane wrote:
>
> > Like "Boxer" Bob Fortino, won Intermediate at the NATS
> > in 2001 (as I recall) with a plans built, OS 61 Hanno
> > powered Boxer.
> >
> > --- Nat Penton <natpenton at centurytel.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Dave it might be cumberson to detail cost of the
> > > Nats winners airplanes. What might be more effective
> > > would be to rant and rave about the guy ( poor slob
> > > ) that wins/places with a Phoenix 6 or flat plate
> > > electric in any contest. This would stress skill
> > > over equipment. Nat
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: DaveL322 at comcast.net
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:49 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Rules don't grow sports!
> > >
> > >
> > > I think it might be very interesting to
> > > find/figure out the average cost of planes being
> > > flown - not too difficult to put together numbers
> > > for the top finishers at the NATs - since the
> > > equipment list is published. I'd be willing to
> > > figure that out and share the nubmers.
> > >
> > > Obtaining the same data for regional groups would
> > > be tougher - and subject to all the pitfalls of any
> > > survey. Perhaps this is something that could be
> > > incorporated with an NSRCA survey? Or, outside of
> > > an NSRCA survey, it could be done through polls,
> > > websites, etc. Certainly a lot of room for
> > > errors/inaccuracies depending on what data set was
> > > generated and how it was interpreted / presented.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dave Lockhart
> > > DaveL322 at comcast.net
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >
> > > > Eric:
> > > > Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD
> > > that is a comprehensive look at
> > > > our sport? This could include everything a
> > > flyer needs to get started,
> > > > demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and
> > > interviews of our national
> > > > team...... Demo their personalities and
> > > equipment. How did they get
> > > > started? Why are they so into it?? The cost of
> > > duplication is so minute
> > > > that it seems silly to try and do something on
> > > paper/brochure...
> > > > I think the big thing is perception - one item
> > > that hasn't been discussed is
> > > > the amount of money a sport flyer has in their
> > > equipment. I won't be
> > > > convinced that it's the money - it's the
> > > perception of money in our
> > > > planes..... This, too, could easily be
> > > addressed by showing a half-dozen
> > > > ARF's and how to set them! up for pattern and
> > > include demo flights on the
> > > > DVD..... People that would consider getting
> > > into pattern need to see
> > > > themselves, in their "minds eye", as being
> > > successful. They need to be
> > > > introduced to the average pattern participant
> > > that doesn't have a pair of
> > > > $3k planes and puts over 500 flights up a
> > > season.... to see themselves as
> > > > successful, it must appear immediately
> > > accessible.
> > > > Venting complete!
> > > > Pritch
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Grow Pattern"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
> > > > Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's not the "driving away" that is the
> > > problem. It may seem that way, but
> > > > > attrition is normal in any sport. The really
> > > big problem is "attraction".
> > > > >
> > > > > I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks
> > > joining and the! ages of the
> > > > > folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal
> > > . The joining age group is very
> > > > > sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This tree has no soil around its roots.....
> > > > >
> > > > > I would submit to you all that what we
> > > debate over size, weight etc. has
> > > > > very little to do with whether a new person
> > > joins or not. If you are new,
> > > > > you tend to accept the rules as the
> > > challenge, and go fly. You have no
> > > > > history so are not that concerned. There are
> > > much brighter lights gaining
> > > > > your attention, not least of which is the
> > > thrill of competing.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is more critical than any rule is the
> > > complete lack of promotional
> > > > > material, lack of tools for our VP's and
> > > members to use to promote our
> > > > > sport. You don't even have a
> > > handout/brochure any more. No video to do a
> > > > > "show and tell" at a club night. No formula
> > > for growth at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Imagine if! all of the effort that we put
> > > into debating a rule was used to
> > > > > put your teeth into something that we could
> > > all use out there at the WRAM
> > > > > or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes
> > > running in continuous loops,
> > > > > Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN
> > > wake up to the reality of
> > > > > running the judging tape at your booth....
> > > > >
> > > > > I know and acknowledge that there are some
> > > individual points of light out
> > > > > there where great work has been done, but it
> > > is not a concerted effort or
> > > > > coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
> > > > >
> > > > > It really is time to get the NSRCA
> > > galvanized in to some real activities
> > > > > for growth.
> > > > >
> > > > > In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In
> > > a sport it is "PROMOTE or
> > > > > PERISH!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message! -----
> > > > > From: "Del K. Rykert"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Show me the changes in last 20 years that
> > > hasn't also turned some
> > > > >> away...? One of the reason not as many
> > > participate as once did... Leave
> > > > >> it alone unless you want to drive more
> > > away.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> del
> > > > >> nsrca 473
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Wayne Galligan"
> > > > >> To:
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Nat,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Your right... look at the last three years
> > > at the Nats and what took top
> > > > >>> honors in th! e masters class.....an ARF
> > > that cost less then $600.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> WG
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>> From: "Nat Penton"
> > > > >>> To:
> > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
> > > > >>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Some of you are over estimating the
> > > importance of the airplane and
> > > > >>>> underestimating the potential of the
> > > pilot. Nat
> > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>>> From: "Bill Southwell"
> > > > >>>> To:
> > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> > >>>> > Tom how so? If there are
> > > available engin es that actually hold up but
> > > > >>> are
> > > > >>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot
> > > cheaper to own both in intial
> > > > >>> purchase
> > > > >>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a
> > > more expensive airplane. Cost of
> > > > >>>> > the
> > > > >>>> > present designs are due to the
> > > materials
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> >
> > =====
> > Bob Kane
> > getterflash at yahoo.com
> >
> >
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