[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
sports!"
Wayne Galligan
wgalligan at goodsonacura.com
Wed Feb 9 14:15:52 AKST 2005
Nat... dont worry about PL.... just get us the girls. :-)'
WG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
sports!"
> A porno video ! I'll support that. Maybe we could get PL to produce it.
> Nat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 PM
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
> sports!"
>
>
> > Eric:
> > Most people have the capability to use this format. Keep in mind that
it
> > wouldn't all have to be video content. It could easily include text,
> > (appropriate articles from K-Factor), photos, diagrams, etc. The video
> > portion in a promo video would not have the same intent as a training
> > tool, so could therefore be more entertaining/enlightening in nature.
> > Most of the video could be shot this summer at the nats. Photos,
> > articles, and any other material could be contributed (and video for
that
> > matter) from anywhere by downloading to a site that NSRCA would choose.
> > As for the cost, lots of folks have digital photo stuff. My guess is
that
> > a bunch of people would start throwing material at you for this project.
> > (like how it's at you?!?) Seriously, the material you have on the
Quest,
> > and information like Bob Pastorello has on his site is perfect for
> > promoting our sport to other flyers.
> > Blank CD's purchased in bulk are really CHEAP!....... If we could keep
> > the production costs low, my guess is that it would rival the cost of a
> > nice brochure or similar publication. Food for thought.
> > Later
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
> >
> >
> >>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
> >>
> >> I first went down this track when trying to figure out how to make a
> >> judge-training DVD. The ability to go to any "video" section at any
time
> >> is awesome when you think about training people. Needs some cash
injected
> >> into that project to make it fly...
> >>
> >> Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the viewer to browse
and
> >> go to what catches their attention.
> >>
> >> I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one day....sigh!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Eric.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net>
> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
> >> Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
> >>
> >>
> >>> Evan:
> >>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo DVD is
something
> >>> that NSRCA would give away!
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
> >>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
> >>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became available.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
> >>>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>Eric:
> >>>>>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a comprehensive
> >>>>>look at our sport? This could include everything a flyer needs to
get
> >>>>>started, demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and interviews of
> >>>>>our national team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How
> >>>>>did they get started? Why are they so into it?? The cost of
> >>>>>duplication is so minute that it seems silly to try and do something
on
> >>>>>paper/brochure...
> >>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that hasn't been
> >>>>>discussed is the amount of money a sport flyer has in their
equipment.
> >>>>>I won't be convinced that it's the money - it's the perception of
money
> >>>>>in our planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by showing a
> >>>>>half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for pattern and include demo
> >>>>>flights on the DVD..... People that would consider getting into
> >>>>>pattern need to see themselves, in their "minds eye", as being
> >>>>>successful. They need to be introduced to the average pattern
> >>>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and puts over 500
> >>>>>flights up a season.... to see themselves as successful, it must
appear
> >>>>>immediately accessible.
> >>>>>Venting complete!
> >>>>>Pritch
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
> >>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
> >>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may seem that
> >>>>>> way, but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem
is
> >>>>>> "attraction".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and the ages of
> >>>>>> the folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining age
> >>>>>> group is very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, weight
etc.
> >>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or not. If
you
> >>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go fly.
> >>>>>> You have no history so are not that concerned. There are much
> >>>>>> brighter lights gaining your attention, not least of which is the
> >>>>>> thrill of competing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack of
> >>>>>> promotional material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use
> >>>>>> to promote our sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any
> >>>>>> more. No video to do a "show and tell" at a club night. No formula
> >>>>>> for growth at all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a rule was
> >>>>>> used to put your teeth into something that we could all use out
there
> >>>>>> at the WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running in
> >>>>>> continuous loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake
> >>>>>> up to the reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual points of
light
> >>>>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not a concerted
> >>>>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some real
> >>>>>> activities for growth.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it is "PROMOTE
> >>>>>> or PERISH!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Eric.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> >>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also turned some
> >>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as once did...
> >>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> del
> >>>>>>> nsrca 473
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
> >>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nat,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats and what
> >>>>>>>> took top
> >>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less then $600.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> WG
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
> >>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the airplane
and
> >>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
> >>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
> >>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
> >>>>>>>>>in intial
> >>>>>>>> purchase
> >>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
> >>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
> >>>>>>>>> > the
> >>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
> >>>>>>>>>of production
> >>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
> >>>>>>>>>would make more
> >>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
> >>>>>>>>>back or at
> >>>>>>>>> > least
> >>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
> >>>>>>>>>unlimited
> >>>>>>>>> >> engines a
> >>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
> >>>>>>>>>more expenseive
> >>>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
> >>>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
> >>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
> >>>>>>>>>would not be too
> >>>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
> >>>>>>>>>be. But, lets
> >>>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
> >>>>>>>>>lets see.....
> >>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
> >>>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
> >>>>>>>>>flying his best
> >>>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
> >>>>>>>>>(and I do not
> >>>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
> >>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
> >>>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
> >>>>>>>>>moving up to
> >>>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
> >>>>>>>>>3 contests were
> >>>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
> >>>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
> >>>>>>>>>his wife happy
> >>>>>>>>> >> and
> >>>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
> >>>>>>>>>who has a
> >>>>>>>>> >> slight
> >>>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
> >>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
> >>>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
> >>>>>>>>>this theoretical
> >>>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
> >>>>>>>>>over
> >>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
> >>>>>>>>> >> one more !
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
> >>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
> >>>>>>>>> >> will
> >>>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
> >>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
> >>>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
> >>>>>>>>>once we do not
> >>>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
> >>>>>>>>>the French FAI
> >>>>>>>>> >> rule
> >>>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
> >>>>>>>>>across the
> >>>>>>>>> >> board
> >>>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
> >>>>>>>>>needs to align
> >>>>>>>>> >> with
> >>>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
> >>>>>>>>>REACHES
> >>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
> >>>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
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