[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
sports!"
Nat Penton
natpenton at centurytel.net
Wed Feb 9 14:11:26 AKST 2005
A porno video ! I'll support that. Maybe we could get PL to produce it.
Nat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
sports!"
> Eric:
> Most people have the capability to use this format. Keep in mind that it
> wouldn't all have to be video content. It could easily include text,
> (appropriate articles from K-Factor), photos, diagrams, etc. The video
> portion in a promo video would not have the same intent as a training
> tool, so could therefore be more entertaining/enlightening in nature.
> Most of the video could be shot this summer at the nats. Photos,
> articles, and any other material could be contributed (and video for that
> matter) from anywhere by downloading to a site that NSRCA would choose.
> As for the cost, lots of folks have digital photo stuff. My guess is that
> a bunch of people would start throwing material at you for this project.
> (like how it's at you?!?) Seriously, the material you have on the Quest,
> and information like Bob Pastorello has on his site is perfect for
> promoting our sport to other flyers.
> Blank CD's purchased in bulk are really CHEAP!....... If we could keep
> the production costs low, my guess is that it would rival the cost of a
> nice brochure or similar publication. Food for thought.
> Later
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>
>
>>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
>>
>> I first went down this track when trying to figure out how to make a
>> judge-training DVD. The ability to go to any "video" section at any time
>> is awesome when you think about training people. Needs some cash injected
>> into that project to make it fly...
>>
>> Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the viewer to browse and
>> go to what catches their attention.
>>
>> I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one day....sigh!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Eric.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>
>>
>>> Evan:
>>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo DVD is something
>>> that NSRCA would give away!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became available.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>>>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>Eric:
>>>>>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a comprehensive
>>>>>look at our sport? This could include everything a flyer needs to get
>>>>>started, demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and interviews of
>>>>>our national team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How
>>>>>did they get started? Why are they so into it?? The cost of
>>>>>duplication is so minute that it seems silly to try and do something on
>>>>>paper/brochure...
>>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that hasn't been
>>>>>discussed is the amount of money a sport flyer has in their equipment.
>>>>>I won't be convinced that it's the money - it's the perception of money
>>>>>in our planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by showing a
>>>>>half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for pattern and include demo
>>>>>flights on the DVD..... People that would consider getting into
>>>>>pattern need to see themselves, in their "minds eye", as being
>>>>>successful. They need to be introduced to the average pattern
>>>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and puts over 500
>>>>>flights up a season.... to see themselves as successful, it must appear
>>>>>immediately accessible.
>>>>>Venting complete!
>>>>>Pritch
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
>>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may seem that
>>>>>> way, but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem is
>>>>>> "attraction".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and the ages of
>>>>>> the folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining age
>>>>>> group is very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, weight etc.
>>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or not. If you
>>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go fly.
>>>>>> You have no history so are not that concerned. There are much
>>>>>> brighter lights gaining your attention, not least of which is the
>>>>>> thrill of competing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack of
>>>>>> promotional material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use
>>>>>> to promote our sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any
>>>>>> more. No video to do a "show and tell" at a club night. No formula
>>>>>> for growth at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a rule was
>>>>>> used to put your teeth into something that we could all use out there
>>>>>> at the WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running in
>>>>>> continuous loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake
>>>>>> up to the reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual points of light
>>>>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not a concerted
>>>>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some real
>>>>>> activities for growth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it is "PROMOTE
>>>>>> or PERISH!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also turned some
>>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as once did...
>>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> del
>>>>>>> nsrca 473
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats and what
>>>>>>>> took top
>>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less then $600.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the airplane and
>>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>>>in intial
>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>>>of production
>>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>>>be. But, lets
>>>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>>>across the
>>>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
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