[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
Bill Pritchett
phelps15 at comcast.net
Wed Feb 9 12:53:53 AKST 2005
Eric:
Most people have the capability to use this format. Keep in mind that it
wouldn't all have to be video content. It could easily include text,
(appropriate articles from K-Factor), photos, diagrams, etc. The video
portion in a promo video would not have the same intent as a training tool,
so could therefore be more entertaining/enlightening in nature. Most of the
video could be shot this summer at the nats. Photos, articles, and any
other material could be contributed (and video for that matter) from
anywhere by downloading to a site that NSRCA would choose. As for the cost,
lots of folks have digital photo stuff. My guess is that a bunch of people
would start throwing material at you for this project. (like how it's at
you?!?) Seriously, the material you have on the Quest, and information like
Bob Pastorello has on his site is perfect for promoting our sport to other
flyers.
Blank CD's purchased in bulk are really CHEAP!....... If we could keep the
production costs low, my guess is that it would rival the cost of a nice
brochure or similar publication. Food for thought.
Later
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
>
> I first went down this track when trying to figure out how to make a
> judge-training DVD. The ability to go to any "video" section at any time
> is awesome when you think about training people. Needs some cash injected
> into that project to make it fly...
>
> Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the viewer to browse and
> go to what catches their attention.
>
> I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one day....sigh!
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>
>
>> Evan:
>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo DVD is something
>> that NSRCA would give away!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>
>>
>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became available.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Eric:
>>>>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a comprehensive look
>>>>at our sport? This could include everything a flyer needs to get
>>>>started, demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our
>>>>national team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How did
>>>>they get started? Why are they so into it?? The cost of duplication is
>>>>so minute that it seems silly to try and do something on
>>>>paper/brochure...
>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that hasn't been
>>>>discussed is the amount of money a sport flyer has in their equipment.
>>>>I won't be convinced that it's the money - it's the perception of money
>>>>in our planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by showing a
>>>>half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for pattern and include demo
>>>>flights on the DVD..... People that would consider getting into pattern
>>>>need to see themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful. They
>>>>need to be introduced to the average pattern participant that doesn't
>>>>have a pair of $3k planes and puts over 500 flights up a season.... to
>>>>see themselves as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>>>>Venting complete!
>>>>Pritch
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may seem that way,
>>>>> but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem is
>>>>> "attraction".
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and the ages of
>>>>> the folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining age group
>>>>> is very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>>>
>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>>
>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, weight etc.
>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or not. If you
>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go fly.
>>>>> You have no history so are not that concerned. There are much brighter
>>>>> lights gaining your attention, not least of which is the thrill of
>>>>> competing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack of
>>>>> promotional material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use to
>>>>> promote our sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more. No
>>>>> video to do a "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a rule was used
>>>>> to put your teeth into something that we could all use out there at
>>>>> the WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running in
>>>>> continuous loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake up
>>>>> to the reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
>>>>>
>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual points of light
>>>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not a concerted
>>>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>>
>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some real
>>>>> activities for growth.
>>>>>
>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it is "PROMOTE or
>>>>> PERISH!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also turned some
>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as once did...
>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> del
>>>>>> nsrca 473
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats and what took
>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less then $600.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the airplane and
>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>>in intial
>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>>of production
>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>>be. But, lets
>>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>>across the
>>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
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