[SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"

Bill Pritchett phelps15 at comcast.net
Wed Feb 9 10:19:07 AKST 2005 

Evan:
Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo DVD is something that 
NSRCA would give away!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"


>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became available.
>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>  "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>Eric:
>>Well said!  Why don't we put together a DVD that is a comprehensive look 
>>at our sport?  This could include everything a flyer needs to get started, 
>>demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national 
>>team...... Demo their personalities and equipment.  How did they get 
>>started?  Why are they so into it??  The cost of duplication is so minute 
>>that it seems silly to try and do something on paper/brochure...
>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that hasn't been discussed 
>>is the amount of money a sport flyer has in their equipment.  I won't be 
>>convinced that it's the money - it's the perception of money in our 
>>planes.....  This, too, could easily be addressed by showing a half-dozen 
>>ARF's and how to set them up for pattern and include demo flights on the 
>>DVD.....  People that would consider getting into pattern need to see 
>>themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful. They need to be 
>>introduced to the average pattern participant that doesn't have a pair of 
>>$3k planes and puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves as 
>>successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>>Venting complete!
>>Pritch
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>
>>
>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may seem that way, 
>>> but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem is 
>>> "attraction".
>>>
>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and the ages of the 
>>> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining age group is 
>>> very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>
>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>
>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, weight etc. has 
>>> very little to do with whether a new person joins or not. If you are 
>>> new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go fly. You have 
>>> no history so are not that concerned. There are much brighter lights 
>>> gaining your attention, not least of which is the thrill of competing.
>>>
>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack of promotional 
>>> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use to promote our 
>>> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more. No video to do a 
>>> "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth at all.
>>>
>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a rule was used 
>>> to put your teeth into something that we could all use out there at the 
>>> WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running in continuous 
>>> loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake up to the 
>>> reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
>>>
>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual points of light 
>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not a concerted 
>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>
>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some real activities 
>>> for growth.
>>>
>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it is "PROMOTE or 
>>> PERISH!"
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Eric.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>
>>>
>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also turned some 
>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as once did... 
>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>
>>>>  del
>>>>    nsrca  473
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>
>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats and what took 
>>>>> top
>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less then $600.
>>>>>
>>>>> WG
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the airplane and
>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Tom how so?  If there are available engines that
>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>> are
>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>in intial
>>>>> purchase
>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>of production
>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>> > least
>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone.  With the
>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>> >> airplanes.  That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >>     *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>> >>     *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> >>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>> >>     *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>     Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>     Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>> >>     smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>be.  But, lets
>>>>>> >>     pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>> >>     Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>> >>     airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>> >>     mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>> >>     being held by  a guy named "Chuck")  and so
>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>> >>     Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>> >>     quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>> >>     In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >>     gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>> >>     heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>> >>     good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>> >>     person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>over
>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>> >>     one more !
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>     Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>> >>     not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>> >>     more on another plane.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>     The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>> >>     let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>> >>     makers are happy.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>     Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>across the
>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>> >>     and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>> >>     FAI.  Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>> >>     the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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