Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"

Evan H. Dygert evand at dygertconsulting.com
Wed Feb 9 09:41:30 AKST 2005


I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became 
available.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
  "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>Eric:
>Well said!  Why don't we put together a DVD that is a 
>comprehensive look at our sport?  This could include 
>everything a flyer needs to get started, demos of proper 
>geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national 
>team...... Demo their personalities and equipment.  How 
>did they get started?  Why are they so into it??  The 
>cost of duplication is so minute that it seems silly to 
>try and do something on paper/brochure...
>I think the big thing is perception - one item that 
>hasn't been discussed is the amount of money a sport 
>flyer has in their equipment.  I won't be convinced that 
>it's the money - it's the perception of money in our 
>planes.....  This, too, could easily be addressed by 
>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for 
>pattern and include demo flights on the DVD.....  People 
>that would consider getting into pattern need to see 
>themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful. 
> They need to be introduced to the average pattern 
>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and 
>puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves 
>as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>Venting complete!
>Pritch
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern" 
><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>
>
>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may 
>>seem that way, but 
>> attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem 
>>is "attraction".
>>
>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and 
>>the ages of the 
>> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining 
>>age group is very 
>> sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>
>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>
>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, 
>>weight etc. has 
>> very little to do with whether a new person joins or 
>>not. If you are new, 
>> you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go 
>>fly. You have no 
>> history so are not that concerned. There are much 
>>brighter lights gaining 
>> your attention, not least of which is the thrill of 
>>competing.
>>
>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack 
>>of promotional 
>> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use 
>>to promote our 
>> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more. 
>>No video to do a 
>> "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth 
>>at all.
>>
>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a 
>>rule was used to 
>> put your teeth into something that we could all use out 
>>there at the WRAM 
>> or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running in 
>>continuous loops, 
>> Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake up to 
>>the reality of 
>> running the judging tape at your booth....
>>
>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual 
>>points of light out 
>> there where great work has been done, but it is not a 
>>concerted effort or 
>> coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>
>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some 
>>real activities 
>> for growth.
>>
>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it 
>>is "PROMOTE or 
>> PERISH!"
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>
>>
>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also 
>>>turned some 
>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as 
>>>once did...   Leave 
>>> it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>
>>>  del
>>>    nsrca  473
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nat,
>>>>
>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats 
>>>>and what took top
>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less 
>>>>then $600.
>>>>
>>>> WG
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the 
>>>>>airplane and
>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. 
>>>>>                  Nat
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Tom how so?  If there are available engines that 
>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>> are
>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both 
>>>>>in intial
>>>> purchase
>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive 
>>>>>airplane. Cost of 
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods 
>>>>>of production
>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room 
>>>>>would make more
>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come 
>>>>>back or at 
>>>>> > least
>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone.  With the 
>>>>>unlimited 
>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger 
>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>> >> airplanes.  That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>     *From:* Gray E Fowler 
>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>> >>     *To:* discussion at nsrca.org 
>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> >>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>> >>     *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes 
>>>>>would not be too
>>>>> >>     smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to 
>>>>>be.  But, lets
>>>>> >>     pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh 
>>>>>lets see..... 
>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>> >>     Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is 
>>>>>flying his best
>>>>> >>     airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy 
>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>> >>     mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months 
>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>> >>     being held by  a guy named "Chuck")  and so 
>>>>>moving up to
>>>>> >>     Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last 
>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>> >>     quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>> >>     In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps 
>>>>>his wife happy 
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >>     gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone 
>>>>>who has a 
>>>>> >> slight
>>>>> >>     heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this 
>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>> >>     good and pumped up and I would place money that 
>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>> >>     person could place at the NATS, but his plane is 
>>>>>over 
>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>> >>     one more !
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a 
>>>>>disadvantage, we 
>>>>> >> will
>>>>> >>     not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you 
>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>> >>     more on another plane.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     The story you have just read is about to be true, 
>>>>>once we do not
>>>>> >>     let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least 
>>>>>the French FAI 
>>>>> >> rule
>>>>> >>     makers are happy.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     Consider a weight change. It does not need to be 
>>>>>across the 
>>>>> >> board
>>>>> >>     and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it 
>>>>>needs to align 
>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >>     FAI.  Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE 
>>>>>REACHES 
>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>> >>     the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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