Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
Evan H. Dygert
evand at dygertconsulting.com
Wed Feb 9 09:41:30 AKST 2005
I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became
available.
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
"Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>Eric:
>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a
>comprehensive look at our sport? This could include
>everything a flyer needs to get started, demos of proper
>geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national
>team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How
>did they get started? Why are they so into it?? The
>cost of duplication is so minute that it seems silly to
>try and do something on paper/brochure...
>I think the big thing is perception - one item that
>hasn't been discussed is the amount of money a sport
>flyer has in their equipment. I won't be convinced that
>it's the money - it's the perception of money in our
>planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by
>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for
>pattern and include demo flights on the DVD..... People
>that would consider getting into pattern need to see
>themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful.
> They need to be introduced to the average pattern
>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and
>puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves
>as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>Venting complete!
>Pritch
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>
>
>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may
>>seem that way, but
>> attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem
>>is "attraction".
>>
>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and
>>the ages of the
>> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining
>>age group is very
>> sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>
>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>
>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size,
>>weight etc. has
>> very little to do with whether a new person joins or
>>not. If you are new,
>> you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go
>>fly. You have no
>> history so are not that concerned. There are much
>>brighter lights gaining
>> your attention, not least of which is the thrill of
>>competing.
>>
>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack
>>of promotional
>> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use
>>to promote our
>> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more.
>>No video to do a
>> "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth
>>at all.
>>
>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a
>>rule was used to
>> put your teeth into something that we could all use out
>>there at the WRAM
>> or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running in
>>continuous loops,
>> Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake up to
>>the reality of
>> running the judging tape at your booth....
>>
>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual
>>points of light out
>> there where great work has been done, but it is not a
>>concerted effort or
>> coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>
>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some
>>real activities
>> for growth.
>>
>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it
>>is "PROMOTE or
>> PERISH!"
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>
>>
>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also
>>>turned some
>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as
>>>once did... Leave
>>> it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>
>>> del
>>> nsrca 473
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nat,
>>>>
>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats
>>>>and what took top
>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less
>>>>then $600.
>>>>
>>>> WG
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the
>>>>>airplane and
>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot.
>>>>> Nat
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>> are
>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>in intial
>>>> purchase
>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>of production
>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>would make more
>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>back or at
>>>>> > least
>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>unlimited
>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>would not be too
>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>be. But, lets
>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>flying his best
>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>moving up to
>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>who has a
>>>>> >> slight
>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>over
>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>> >> will
>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>once we do not
>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>> >> rule
>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>across the
>>>>> >> board
>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>needs to align
>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>REACHES
>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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