[SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
Evan H. Dygert
evand at dygertconsulting.com
Wed Feb 9 10:23:09 AKST 2005
Even better!
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:18:43 -0500
"Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>Evan:
>Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo
>DVD is something that NSRCA would give away!
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan H. Dygert"
><evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>
>
>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became
>>available.
>>
>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Eric:
>>>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a
>>>comprehensive look at our sport? This could include
>>>everything a flyer needs to get started, demos of proper
>>>geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national
>>>team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How
>>>did they get started? Why are they so into it?? The
>>>cost of duplication is so minute that it seems silly to
>>>try and do something on paper/brochure...
>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that
>>>hasn't been discussed is the amount of money a sport
>>>flyer has in their equipment. I won't be convinced that
>>>it's the money - it's the perception of money in our
>>>planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by
>>>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for
>>>pattern and include demo flights on the DVD..... People
>>>that would consider getting into pattern need to see
>>>themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful.
>>>They need to be introduced to the average pattern
>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and
>>>puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves
>>>as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>>>Venting complete!
>>>Pritch
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may
>>>>seem that way,
>>>> but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big
>>>>problem is
>>>> "attraction".
>>>>
>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and
>>>>the ages of the
>>>> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining
>>>>age group is
>>>> very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>>
>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>
>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size,
>>>>weight etc. has
>>>> very little to do with whether a new person joins or
>>>>not. If you are
>>>> new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and
>>>>go fly. You have
>>>> no history so are not that concerned. There are much
>>>>brighter lights
>>>> gaining your attention, not least of which is the thrill
>>>>of competing.
>>>>
>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack
>>>>of promotional
>>>> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use
>>>>to promote our
>>>> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more.
>>>>No video to do a
>>>> "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth
>>>>at all.
>>>>
>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a
>>>>rule was used
>>>> to put your teeth into something that we could all use
>>>>out there at the
>>>> WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running
>>>>in continuous
>>>> loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake
>>>>up to the
>>>> reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
>>>>
>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual
>>>>points of light
>>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not
>>>>a concerted
>>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>
>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some
>>>>real activities
>>>> for growth.
>>>>
>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it
>>>>is "PROMOTE or
>>>> PERISH!"
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Eric.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also
>>>>>turned some
>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as
>>>>>once did...
>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>
>>>>> del
>>>>> nsrca 473
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats
>>>>>>and what took
>>>>>> top
>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less
>>>>>>then $600.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the
>>>>>>>airplane and
>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>in intial
>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>of production
>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>be. But, lets
>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>across the
>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
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>> Evan H. Dygert
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