Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)

Tue Aug 16 16:28:12 AKDT 2005

Something else I agree with Ron on<g>.

>From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:58:38 -0500
>
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>On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Nat Penton wrote:
>
>>Historically  manuevers are established according to the capabilities of 
>>the airplane. What we have is a judging problem. I fully expect that in 
>>due course we will see more 3D manuevers incorporated in precision 
>>aerobatics.
>
>When a torque roll becomes part of the Master class maneuver schedule, I 
>will retire from R/C aerobatic competition and dream wistfully about 'the 
>good old days'.
>
>Ron Van Putte
>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Ed Alt wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've seen Dave Lockhart and a handful of others do a snap in a similar 
>>>>positively loaded condition?  You see a very well defined pitch break a 
>>>>clear indications of an autorotation.  I know, planes differ etc, but 
>>>>I'm still not buying that as a snap.
>>>
>>>These comments are exactly why I think we should drop snaps from our 
>>>maneuver schedules.  In my opinion, for a maneuver to be considered a 
>>>good maneuver, it should be difficult to do well and easy to judge.  Snap 
>>>rolls don't meet that criteria, when so many people can disagree on 
>>>whether a maneuver on a video was or was not a snap roll.
>>>
>>>Ron Van Putte
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo at san.rr.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>Subject: RE: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:42:58 -0700
>>>>>
>>>>>You're not going to get much pitch break since the aircraft is already
>>>>>positively loaded, so reaching critical angle of attack requires much 
>>>>>less
>>>>>abrupt movement to get there.
>>>>>
>>>>>To me.. this is absolutely a snap roll. The rate of rotation is not
>>>>>constant. There is a definite autorotation going on.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>>>>>[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
>>>>>Behalf Of Ed Alt
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:03 AM
>>>>>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>>
>>>>>Looks like a real tight and fast barrel roll.  Can't discern any pitch 
>>>>>break
>>>>>
>>>>>leading to autorotation.  Must have had some rudder in it, you can see 
>>>>>an
>>>>>opposite kick at the end to get back on track.
>>>>>Ed
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>>>To: "nsrca" <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:45 PM
>>>>>Subject: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >I have a short wmv video taken during the NATS of a
>>>>> > snap during the Master's Reverse Avalanch. The wmv
>>>>> > file is posted here:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://home.wyan.org/~rkane/video.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is it a snap or not? You can control the playback
>>>>> > speed in Windows Media player for a better look by
>>>>> > turning on the play speed controls under "View", then
>>>>> > "Enhancements", then turning "Play Speed Settings" on.
>>>>> > This will give you frame-by-frame control. Watch it
>>>>> > both at full speed and then frame by frame.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bob Kane
>>>>> > getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>> >
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