Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)

Tue Aug 16 17:04:46 AKDT 2005

Ditto.
Ed M.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)

> Something else I agree with Ron on<g>.
>
>
>>From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:58:38 -0500
>>
>>
>>On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Nat Penton wrote:
>>
>>>Historically  manuevers are established according to the capabilities of 
>>>the airplane. What we have is a judging problem. I fully expect that in 
>>>due course we will see more 3D manuevers incorporated in precision 
>>>aerobatics.
>>
>>When a torque roll becomes part of the Master class maneuver schedule, I 
>>will retire from R/C aerobatic competition and dream wistfully about 'the 
>>good old days'.
>>
>>Ron Van Putte
>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:16 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Ed Alt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I've seen Dave Lockhart and a handful of others do a snap in a similar 
>>>>>positively loaded condition?  You see a very well defined pitch break a 
>>>>>clear indications of an autorotation.  I know, planes differ etc, but 
>>>>>I'm still not buying that as a snap.
>>>>
>>>>These comments are exactly why I think we should drop snaps from our 
>>>>maneuver schedules.  In my opinion, for a maneuver to be considered a 
>>>>good maneuver, it should be difficult to do well and easy to judge. 
>>>>Snap rolls don't meet that criteria, when so many people can disagree on 
>>>>whether a maneuver on a video was or was not a snap roll.
>>>>
>>>>Ron Van Putte
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo at san.rr.com>
>>>>>>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>Subject: RE: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>>>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:42:58 -0700
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're not going to get much pitch break since the aircraft is already
>>>>>>positively loaded, so reaching critical angle of attack requires much 
>>>>>>less
>>>>>>abrupt movement to get there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To me.. this is absolutely a snap roll. The rate of rotation is not
>>>>>>constant. There is a definite autorotation going on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>>>>>>[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
>>>>>>Behalf Of Ed Alt
>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:03 AM
>>>>>>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Looks like a real tight and fast barrel roll.  Can't discern any pitch 
>>>>>>break
>>>>>>
>>>>>>leading to autorotation.  Must have had some rudder in it, you can see 
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>opposite kick at the end to get back on track.
>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>To: "nsrca" <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:45 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >I have a short wmv video taken during the NATS of a
>>>>>> > snap during the Master's Reverse Avalanch. The wmv
>>>>>> > file is posted here:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://home.wyan.org/~rkane/video.html
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Is it a snap or not? You can control the playback
>>>>>> > speed in Windows Media player for a better look by
>>>>>> > turning on the play speed controls under "View", then
>>>>>> > "Enhancements", then turning "Play Speed Settings" on.
>>>>>> > This will give you frame-by-frame control. Watch it
>>>>>> > both at full speed and then frame by frame.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bob Kane
>>>>>> > getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>>>> >
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