Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)

Tue Aug 16 13:13:16 AKDT 2005

I would expect any 3D manuevers  incorporated  would be  ones that can be 
accomplished with consistancy and precision by the majority and can be 
judged. Hope,hope !!      Nat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)

>
> On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Nat Penton wrote:
>
>> Historically  manuevers are established according to the capabilities of 
>> the airplane. What we have is a judging problem. I fully expect that in 
>> due course we will see more 3D manuevers incorporated in precision 
>> aerobatics.
>
> When a torque roll becomes part of the Master class maneuver schedule, I 
> will retire from R/C aerobatic competition and dream wistfully about 'the 
> good old days'.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Ed Alt wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've seen Dave Lockhart and a handful of others do a snap in a similar 
>>>> positively loaded condition?  You see a very well defined pitch break a 
>>>> clear indications of an autorotation.  I know, planes differ etc, but 
>>>> I'm still not buying that as a snap.
>>>
>>> These comments are exactly why I think we should drop snaps from our 
>>> maneuver schedules.  In my opinion, for a maneuver to be considered a 
>>> good maneuver, it should be difficult to do well and easy to judge. 
>>> Snap rolls don't meet that criteria, when so many people can disagree on 
>>> whether a maneuver on a video was or was not a snap roll.
>>>
>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo at san.rr.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:42:58 -0700
>>>>>
>>>>> You're not going to get much pitch break since the aircraft is already
>>>>> positively loaded, so reaching critical angle of attack requires much 
>>>>> less
>>>>> abrupt movement to get there.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me.. this is absolutely a snap roll. The rate of rotation is not
>>>>> constant. There is a definite autorotation going on.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>>>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ed Alt
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:03 AM
>>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like a real tight and fast barrel roll.  Can't discern any pitch 
>>>>> break
>>>>>
>>>>> leading to autorotation.  Must have had some rudder in it, you can see 
>>>>> an
>>>>> opposite kick at the end to get back on track.
>>>>> Ed
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: "nsrca" <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:45 PM
>>>>> Subject: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >I have a short wmv video taken during the NATS of a
>>>>> > snap during the Master's Reverse Avalanch. The wmv
>>>>> > file is posted here:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://home.wyan.org/~rkane/video.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is it a snap or not? You can control the playback
>>>>> > speed in Windows Media player for a better look by
>>>>> > turning on the play speed controls under "View", then
>>>>> > "Enhancements", then turning "Play Speed Settings" on.
>>>>> > This will give you frame-by-frame control. Watch it
>>>>> > both at full speed and then frame by frame.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bob Kane
>>>>> > getterflash at yahoo.com
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