Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)

Tue Aug 16 11:58:20 AKDT 2005

On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Nat Penton wrote:

> Historically  manuevers are established according to the capabilities 
> of the airplane. What we have is a judging problem. I fully expect 
> that in due course we will see more 3D manuevers incorporated in 
> precision aerobatics.

When a torque roll becomes part of the Master class maneuver schedule, 
I will retire from R/C aerobatic competition and dream wistfully about 
'the good old days'.

Ron Van Putte

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>
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>>
>> On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen Dave Lockhart and a handful of others do a snap in a 
>>> similar positively loaded condition?  You see a very well defined 
>>> pitch break a clear indications of an autorotation.  I know, planes 
>>> differ etc, but I'm still not buying that as a snap.
>>
>> These comments are exactly why I think we should drop snaps from our 
>> maneuver schedules.  In my opinion, for a maneuver to be considered a 
>> good maneuver, it should be difficult to do well and easy to judge.  
>> Snap rolls don't meet that criteria, when so many people can disagree 
>> on whether a maneuver on a video was or was not a snap roll.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo at san.rr.com>
>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Subject: RE: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:42:58 -0700
>>>>
>>>> You're not going to get much pitch break since the aircraft is 
>>>> already
>>>> positively loaded, so reaching critical angle of attack requires 
>>>> much less
>>>> abrupt movement to get there.
>>>>
>>>> To me.. this is absolutely a snap roll. The rate of rotation is not
>>>> constant. There is a definite autorotation going on.
>>>>
>>>> -Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Ed Alt
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:03 AM
>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>
>>>> Looks like a real tight and fast barrel roll.  Can't discern any 
>>>> pitch break
>>>>
>>>> leading to autorotation.  Must have had some rudder in it, you can 
>>>> see an
>>>> opposite kick at the end to get back on track.
>>>> Ed
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "nsrca" <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I have a short wmv video taken during the NATS of a
>>>> > snap during the Master's Reverse Avalanch. The wmv
>>>> > file is posted here:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://home.wyan.org/~rkane/video.html
>>>> >
>>>> > Is it a snap or not? You can control the playback
>>>> > speed in Windows Media player for a better look by
>>>> > turning on the play speed controls under "View", then
>>>> > "Enhancements", then turning "Play Speed Settings" on.
>>>> > This will give you frame-by-frame control. Watch it
>>>> > both at full speed and then frame by frame.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Bob Kane
>>>> > getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>> >
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