Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)

[Nat Penton]

Ron,
Historically  manuevers are established according to the capabilities of the 
airplane. What we have is a judging problem. I fully expect that in due 
course we will see more 3D manuevers incorporated in precision aerobatics. 
Nat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)


>
> On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Ed Alt wrote:
>
>> I've seen Dave Lockhart and a handful of others do a snap in a similar 
>> positively loaded condition?  You see a very well defined pitch break a 
>> clear indications of an autorotation.  I know, planes differ etc, but I'm 
>> still not buying that as a snap.
>
> These comments are exactly why I think we should drop snaps from our 
> maneuver schedules.  In my opinion, for a maneuver to be considered a good 
> maneuver, it should be difficult to do well and easy to judge.  Snap rolls 
> don't meet that criteria, when so many people can disagree on whether a 
> maneuver on a video was or was not a snap roll.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>
>>> From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo at san.rr.com>
>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: RE: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:42:58 -0700
>>>
>>> You're not going to get much pitch break since the aircraft is already
>>> positively loaded, so reaching critical angle of attack requires much 
>>> less
>>> abrupt movement to get there.
>>>
>>> To me.. this is absolutely a snap roll. The rate of rotation is not
>>> constant. There is a definite autorotation going on.
>>>
>>> -Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Ed Alt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:03 AM
>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Re: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>
>>> Looks like a real tight and fast barrel roll.  Can't discern any pitch 
>>> break
>>>
>>> leading to autorotation.  Must have had some rudder in it, you can see 
>>> an
>>> opposite kick at the end to get back on track.
>>> Ed
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "nsrca" <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:45 PM
>>> Subject: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)
>>>
>>>
>>> >I have a short wmv video taken during the NATS of a
>>> > snap during the Master's Reverse Avalanch. The wmv
>>> > file is posted here:
>>> >
>>> > http://home.wyan.org/~rkane/video.html
>>> >
>>> > Is it a snap or not? You can control the playback
>>> > speed in Windows Media player for a better look by
>>> > turning on the play speed controls under "View", then
>>> > "Enhancements", then turning "Play Speed Settings" on.
>>> > This will give you frame-by-frame control. Watch it
>>> > both at full speed and then frame by frame.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Bob Kane
>>> > getterflash at yahoo.com
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