[SPAM] Re: Re: Judges Caller

[Earl Haury]

"The judges should be far enough back for you not to hear them."

Absolutely - but not often the case! AMA rules state "not more than 10 
meters (32+ feet), FAI rules state "not less than 7 meters (23 feet) , nor 
more than 10 meters. Rarely are judges anywhere near the FAI minimum at 
local meets or the Nats. A significant part of the judges view of center 
maneuvers is usually blocked by the caller / pilot.

The set-up at the Nats on Site 3 Monday had the judges within 4 feet of the 
apex of the box lines - I observed that most pilots were standing nearly 10 
feet in front of the box apex. Neither the pilots nor the judges seemed to 
notice. This was corrected before the afternoon session by the site crew - 
seems that the AMA set-up guys just put the shade at the box apex and it 
slipped by.

For the FAI finals at Site 1 we still moved the judges line rearward about 
10 feet just to meet the minimum. At this distance the caller / pilots did 
not block the judges view. Communication between caller / pilot was 
inaudible to the judges (and, presumably, the judges callers in the unknowns 
were inaudible to them) also.

Maybe we could at least do better at the Nats if someone was assigned to 
ensure that the set-up was correct (and / or reasonable).

Earl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
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> The judges should be far enough back for you not to hear them.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Ivey" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:20 PM
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: Re: Judges Caller
>
>
>> OK, My time.
>> I think if someone else other than my caller was calling the manouvers at 
>> a different time than when I want the manouver,it would mess me up 
>> bigtime. It is hard to keep your mind on the flight with people talking 
>> in the background.
>> Now having said that ,I could instruct my caller to say the manouvers 
>> loud enough that the judges could hear. To me that would be less 
>> distracting. Matter of fact we generally ask that to be done in local 
>> contests. It works pretty good and another person is not needed.
>>
>> Jim Ivey
>>>
>>> From: ronlock at comcast.net
>>> Date: 2005/08/04 Thu PM 04:13:14 EDT
>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org,  discussion at nsrca.org
>>> CC: "Rick Wallace" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Judges Caller
>>>
>>> Agree with the Judges caller.  It will help, and is relatively easy to 
>>> accomplish.
>>>
>>> Ron Lockhart
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>>>
>>> Don Ramsey was kind enough to provide a judges' caller for the FAI 
>>> Finals, and it was a great help... not to mention a source of occasional 
>>> harmless smiles.
>>> I believe that the Pilot's caller is exactly that -- an assistant to the 
>>> pilot. What goes on between them the pilot and caller shouldn't go any 
>>> further than that. If the judges need a caller ( and that IS often a 
>>> great help) that caller should be a separate person.
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> >To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> >Subject: Re: Performance Judging?  Trial Balloon
>>> >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:08:25 -0400
>>> >
>>> >A judges caller would work.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Eric.
>>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>>> >   From: Chuck Hochhalter
>>> >   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> >   Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:43 AM
>>> >   Subject: RE: Performance Judging? Trial Balloon
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   I think this would hurt my scores.  Many times I have heard my 
>>> > caller go oh// *(&*(&  wrong rudder or you almost flopped that or 
>>> > maybe they were looking down and didn't see that..  I don't care for 
>>> > the judges to hear my caller/coach/critic mumble things like your 
>>> > figure 8 appeared to be a snowman etc or help in calling center.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   CHUCK
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   -----Original Message-----
>>> >   From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>>> > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall
>>> >   Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:23 AM
>>> >   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> >   Subject: RE: Performance Judging? Trial Balloon
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   It would be interesting to use a small wireless headset/mike on the 
>>> > caller so the judges, with a receive headset, could know absolutely 
>>> > what the next maneuver was supposed to be.
>>>
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