Performance Judging? Trial Balloon

[Joe Lachowski]

Ron,

Believe it or not, I'm with you on the box end issue.<g> To my recollection 
this has been an issue going way back. I seem to see this problem with the 
turnaround manuevers every year. It may need to be stressed at the pilots 
meeting. I see this at local contests as well especially from the lower 
class pilots as judges (inexperience I guess). I still see, on occasion, 
guys giving zeros for partially out of the box manuevers. I still  see the 
occasional score being given for a flopped stall turn too. Snaps and spins 
are and probably will always be a crap shoot<g>.

>From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: Performance Judging?  Trial Balloon
>Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:13:23 -0500
>
>
>On Aug 2, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Wayne Galligan wrote:
>
>>One thing I noticed and this happened on my flight line when I was judging 
>>Masters.  I was lined up right on the center pole and the other two judges 
>>where off to my left... not just a little... but way over in the shade.  
>>Could explain why your end box maneuver got scored a little lower then the 
>>other two judges.  This is something I noticed across the board.   Could 
>>be the outer judges where seeing the box violation differently.
>
>What a lot of judges don't know is that you should walk out and stand at 
>the box apex and look along the box lines to objects on the horizon (or as 
>far as possible) and use those points as the box references, not the poles. 
>  If an airplane is outside those references, the airplane is out of the 
>box.
>
>>I wasn't judging you when the elevator broke but I was when of the ones 
>>screaming at you to get it out of the air.  The whole stab was floppin 
>>back and forth. Glad to see you saved the plane.
>
>Yeah, you guys sure made a lot of noise out there, including the judges!  
>After I landed, I asked the judges if they scored 10 on the landing.  I was 
>told, no,  that the landing was outside the landing area and was lucky just 
>to have a "free airplane".
>
>Ron Van Putte
>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Ron Van Putte
>>>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:37 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Performance Judging? Trial Balloon
>>>
>>>
>>>On Aug 2, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Don Ramsey wrote:
>>>
>>>>We have heard from a lot of Advanced pilots about the judging on that 
>>>>line.  I would like some feed back from Masters and FAI on the prelims 
>>>>judges.  My very limited survey seems to indicated that those lines had 
>>>>very good judging.  I had a lot of 5s & 6s and some good scores but 
>>>>overall my scores, in my opinion, were spot on.  I'm only asking about 
>>>>the prelims.
>>>
>>>I had some weird scores on some flights. On the first round, my scores 
>>>had a 94 point raw score spread (one judge was consistently high). The 
>>>second round had only a 14.5 point spread (These judge hung together; the 
>>>worst being an 8.0/6.0/7.0 on the 1/2 Inside Loop w/ 2/4 Roll Out). The 
>>>third round had only a 28.5 point spread (this despite a 9.5/9.0/6.5 on 
>>>the 1/2 Outside Loop w/ 2/4 Pt Roll Out). The fourth round had a zero 
>>>spread (an elevator half came unhooked from the clevis and I landed 
>>>before completing the first airborne maneuver)! The fifth round had a 63 
>>>point spread, including a 3.0/8.0/6.0 on the Vertical Square 8. The sixth 
>>>round had only a 33.5 point spread, however, it included 6.0/9.0/8.0 on 
>>>the 1/2 Inside Loop w/ 2/4 Roll Out, 6.5/8.0/8.5 Top Hat w/ 3/4 Roll Up, 
>>>1/4 Roll Dn and a 6.0/8.0/6.5 on the 1/2 Sq Loop w/ 1/2 Roll Out.
>>>
>>>I can accept up to 1.5 point spread from three judges on a maneuver, but 
>>>more than that means somebody screwed up.
>>>
>>>Ron Van Putte


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