Performance Judging? Trial Balloon

[Ron Van Putte]

On Aug 2, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Wayne Galligan wrote:

> One thing I noticed and this happened on my flight line when I was 
> judging Masters.  I was lined up right on the center pole and the 
> other two judges where off to my left... not just a little... but way 
> over in the shade.  Could explain why your end box maneuver got scored 
> a little lower then the other two judges.  This is something I noticed 
> across the board.   Could be the outer judges where seeing the box 
> violation differently.

What a lot of judges don't know is that you should walk out and stand 
at the box apex and look along the box lines to objects on the horizon 
(or as far as possible) and use those points as the box references, not 
the poles.  If an airplane is outside those references, the airplane is 
out of the box.

> I wasn't judging you when the elevator broke but I was when of the 
> ones screaming at you to get it out of the air.  The whole stab was 
> floppin back and forth. Glad to see you saved the plane.

Yeah, you guys sure made a lot of noise out there, including the 
judges!  After I landed, I asked the judges if they scored 10 on the 
landing.  I was told, no,  that the landing was outside the landing 
area and was lucky just to have a "free airplane".

Ron Van Putte

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ron Van Putte
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: Performance Judging? Trial Balloon
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Don Ramsey wrote:
>>
>>> We have heard from a lot of Advanced pilots about the judging on 
>>> that line.  I would like some feed back from Masters and FAI on the 
>>> prelims judges.  My very limited survey seems to indicated that 
>>> those lines had very good judging.  I had a lot of 5s & 6s and some 
>>> good scores but overall my scores, in my opinion, were spot on.  I'm 
>>> only asking about the prelims.
>>
>> I had some weird scores on some flights. On the first round, my 
>> scores had a 94 point raw score spread (one judge was consistently 
>> high). The second round had only a 14.5 point spread (These judge 
>> hung together; the worst being an 8.0/6.0/7.0 on the 1/2 Inside Loop 
>> w/ 2/4 Roll Out). The third round had only a 28.5 point spread (this 
>> despite a 9.5/9.0/6.5 on the 1/2 Outside Loop w/ 2/4 Pt Roll Out). 
>> The fourth round had a zero spread (an elevator half came unhooked 
>> from the clevis and I landed before completing the first airborne 
>> maneuver)! The fifth round had a 63 point spread, including a 
>> 3.0/8.0/6.0 on the Vertical Square 8. The sixth round had only a 33.5 
>> point spread, however, it included 6.0/9.0/8.0 on the 1/2 Inside Loop 
>> w/ 2/4 Roll Out, 6.5/8.0/8.5 Top Hat w/ 3/4 Roll Up, 1/4 Roll Dn and 
>> a 6.0/8.0/6.5 on the 1/2 Sq Loop w/ 1/2 Roll Out.
>>
>> I can accept up to 1.5 point spread from three judges on a maneuver, 
>> but more than that means somebody screwed up.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
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