Judging Controversy - Part 2

Mon Sep 13 12:20:21 AKDT 2004

Ron:
Nice to know.  Thanks for sending.  And thanks also to the folks who 
replied to my questions.  It was a very enlightening exchange.  I've 
always wondered; now I know how the thing works.  Right now, it looks as 
if the situation was in a little bit of a state of flux when Bob Noll 
was chosen.  So, it happened the way it did.  As they say, it is what it is.

Bill Glaze

Ron Van Putte wrote:

>
>
> On Sep 11, 2004, at 10:05 PM, Ken Velez wrote:
>
>      Bill, the way I understand it is that NSRCA submits a list to the
>     AMA which will present a list to FAI and the FAI will make the
>     decision. But the only difference that I see here is that Bob Noll
>     was selected for the 2003 WC by the AMA apparently not knowing
>     that the judge for 2003 was already been selected and was
>     reassigned to 2005 WC.
>
>
> Tony Stillman will probably step in here and clarify anything I 
> submit. However, it might be tomorrow (Monday), since we were at a 
> contest up in Huntsville, AL this weekend and I just returned a few 
> minutes ago.
>
> The AMA submits a list of judges to the FAI. It used to be three 
> names; now it is five. The only actions the FAI takes is to 1.) Look 
> at the names and eliminate any which are unacceptable (???) and 2.) 
> Send the list to the F3A World Championship organizing committee. The 
> organizing committee must pick a name from that list. This process has 
> not happened yet, so there is currently no U.S. judge selected for the 
> 2005 F3A WC. BTW, they don't even have to pick a U.S. judge. If they 
> select a U.S. judge, they must select from the list they are given.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Bill Glaze
>     To: discussion at nsrca.org
>     Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:19 AM
>     Subject: Re: Fw: Judging Controversy - Part 2
>
>     Ken:
>     Thanks for Part 2.  But, I'm still confused by the contradictory
>     statements.  Does our judge get chosen from a list submitted to
>     the FAI by the AMA, or does the judge get chosen by the AMA,
>     (Presumably Dave Brown?)  I realize that, at this juncture, the
>     AMA is not required to recognize any list of preferred persons
>     submitted to it by NSRCA.  Was Bob Noll chosen by AMA fiat, or was
>     he chosen from a list submitted to FAI, by the FAI committee? 
>     Understand: I am certainly not challenging his, or anyone's,
>     qualifications.  Just trying to acquaint myself (and, hopefully,
>     others who may be interested) in the chain of command and legal
>     procedure.
>     Thanks to all of the knowledgeable folks who are enlightening the
>     rest of us.  It just may stimulate a further interest in flying
>     FAI :-)
>
>     Bill Glaze
>
>     Ken Velez wrote:
>
>     Here is part 2
>
>     Ken
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
>     To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>     Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:38 PM
>     Subject: Re: Judging Controversy - Part 2
>
>
>
>     The AMA responded positively to the NSRCA efforts by requesting
>     that the
>     NSRCA submit FIVE potential WC judges to add to the AMA
>     President's list
>
>     of
>
>     potential American WC judges for future reference. While the AMA
>     offered
>
>     to
>
>     consider the NSRCA nominees, it did not commit to choosing one of the
>     nominees as a judge. They did promise to consider our nominees very
>     seriously, however. Significantly, Bob Noll was also included in
>     the top
>     five judges and was therefore recommended to the AMA along with four
>
>     others.
>
>     Here occurred the major misunderstanding. It is possible that some
>     members
>     of the NSRCA Board thought the "NSRCA Five" that were submitted in
>     June
>
>     2004
>
>     were to serve at the 2005 WC. Wrong. Based upon the prior NSRCA - AMA
>     consultations, Bob Noll's name had already been sent to the FAI in
>     2003
>     along with others. The FAI nominated four people from the list,
>     Earl, Bob,
>     Matt Kebabjian and Don Ramsey as potential 2005 US judges in March
>     2004,
>     months before the NSRCA Five were nominated. The "Five" are, in
>     reality,
>
>     our
>
>     nominees for 2007.
>
>     However, it is very important to note that the WC US judge
>     represents, not
>     the NSRCA, but the AMA and the United States to the World.
>     Therefore, the
>     selected nominee needs to have far more abilities than just being
>     a good
>     judge. While judging ability is important, it is just really a minor
>
>     factor
>
>     in the selection. Actually, good judging performance is considered a
>
>     "given"
>
>     in our WC judge. Fortunately, through Ron and company's efforts,
>     we have a
>     system for making sure that this "given" is actually present in our
>     nominees.
>
>     But There are far more important factors than simple judging
>     ability in
>
>     the
>
>     selection. Why?
>
>     First, our WC judge must possess accomplished diplomatic and sales
>     skills
>
>     in
>
>     order to weave effectively through the complex international factors,
>     cliques, undercurrents and intrigue that are part of the WC to best
>
>     benefit
>
>     the US Team. Most countries send the same judge every year and
>
>     relationships
>
>     are built that our judge, being new, is not party to. He must
>     build those
>     relationships quickly and effectively.
>
>     Second, our judge must posses an international reputation that
>     engenders
>     respect in order to maximize his effectiveness in the short time
>     period
>     available.
>
>     Third, the judge's "resume" must be superb and beyond reproach. It
>     should
>     include judging and/or managing National Contests, judging Team
>     Selection
>     events, be one of unquestioned fairness, integrity and attention
>     to detail
>     and must include having successfully judged "Unknowns."
>
>     If the judge lacks any of these qualifications, then his
>     effectiveness as
>     the AMA and US representative is reduced until his abilities have
>     a chance
>     to be recognized while "in action" overseas.
>
>     Finally, the AMA President must be personally comfortable with the
>     names
>     presented to the FAI. After all, the judge represents the AMA
>     President.
>
>     Any
>
>     problems that develop, or performance that under serves, reflects
>     poorly
>     upon the AMA President, the AMA and on all US RC modeling in the
>     World's
>     eyes. That is why the AMA President alone is the only one to make the
>
>     judges
>
>     list selection and chooses whose name is first on the list given
>     the FAI.
>
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