Judging Controversy - Part 2

[Ron Van Putte]

On Sep 11, 2004, at 10:05 PM, Ken Velez wrote:

>  Bill, the way I understand it is that NSRCA submits a list to the AMA 
> which will present a list to FAI and the FAI will make the decision. 
> But the only difference that I see here is that Bob Noll was selected 
> for the 2003 WC by the AMA apparently not knowing that the judge for 
> 2003 was already been selected and was reassigned to 2005 WC.

Tony Stillman will probably step in here and clarify anything I submit. 
  However, it might be tomorrow (Monday), since we were at a contest up 
in Huntsville, AL this weekend and I just returned a few minutes ago.

The AMA submits a list of judges to the FAI.  It used to be three 
names; now it is five.  The only actions the FAI takes is to 1.) Look 
at the names and eliminate any which are unacceptable (???) and 2.)  
Send the list to the F3A World Championship organizing committee.  The 
organizing committee must pick a name from that list.  This process has 
not happened yet, so there is currently no U.S. judge selected for the 
2005 F3A WC.  BTW, they don't even have to pick a U.S. judge.   If they 
select a U.S. judge, they must select from the list they are given.

Ron Van Putte

> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Bill Glaze
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Judging Controversy - Part 2
>
> Ken:
> Thanks for Part 2.  But, I'm still confused by the contradictory 
> statements.  Does our judge get chosen from a list submitted to the 
> FAI by the AMA, or does the judge get chosen by the AMA, (Presumably 
> Dave Brown?)  I realize that, at this juncture, the AMA is not 
> required to recognize any list of preferred persons submitted to it by 
> NSRCA.  Was Bob Noll chosen by AMA fiat, or was he chosen from a list 
> submitted to FAI, by the FAI committee?  Understand: I am certainly 
> not challenging his, or anyone's, qualifications.  Just trying to 
> acquaint myself (and, hopefully, others who may be interested) in the 
> chain of command and legal procedure.
> Thanks to all of the knowledgeable folks who are enlightening the rest 
> of us.  It just may stimulate a further interest in flying FAI :-)
>
> Bill Glaze
>
> Ken Velez wrote:
>
> Here is part 2
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Judging Controversy - Part 2
>
>
>
> The AMA responded positively to the NSRCA efforts by requesting that 
> the
> NSRCA submit FIVE potential WC judges to add to the AMA President's 
> list
>
> of
>
> potential American WC judges for future reference. While the AMA 
> offered
>
> to
>
> consider the NSRCA nominees, it did not commit to choosing one of the
> nominees as a judge. They did promise to consider our nominees very
> seriously, however. Significantly, Bob Noll was also included in the 
> top
> five judges and was therefore recommended to the AMA along with four
>
> others.
>
> Here occurred the major misunderstanding. It is possible that some 
> members
> of the NSRCA Board thought the "NSRCA Five" that were submitted in June
>
> 2004
>
> were to serve at the 2005 WC. Wrong. Based upon the prior NSRCA - AMA
> consultations, Bob Noll's name had already been sent to the FAI in 2003
> along with others. The FAI nominated four people from the list, Earl, 
> Bob,
> Matt Kebabjian and Don Ramsey as potential 2005 US judges in March 
> 2004,
> months before the NSRCA Five were nominated. The "Five" are, in 
> reality,
>
> our
>
> nominees for 2007.
>
> However, it is very important to note that the WC US judge represents, 
> not
> the NSRCA, but the AMA and the United States to the World. Therefore, 
> the
> selected nominee needs to have far more abilities than just being a 
> good
> judge. While judging ability is important, it is just really a minor
>
> factor
>
> in the selection. Actually, good judging performance is considered a
>
> "given"
>
> in our WC judge. Fortunately, through Ron and company's efforts, we 
> have a
> system for making sure that this "given" is actually present in our
> nominees.
>
> But There are far more important factors than simple judging ability in
>
> the
>
> selection. Why?
>
> First, our WC judge must possess accomplished diplomatic and sales 
> skills
>
> in
>
> order to weave effectively through the complex international factors,
> cliques, undercurrents and intrigue that are part of the WC to best
>
> benefit
>
> the US Team. Most countries send the same judge every year and
>
> relationships
>
> are built that our judge, being new, is not party to. He must build 
> those
> relationships quickly and effectively.
>
> Second, our judge must posses an international reputation that 
> engenders
> respect in order to maximize his effectiveness in the short time period
> available.
>
> Third, the judge's "resume" must be superb and beyond reproach. It 
> should
> include judging and/or managing National Contests, judging Team 
> Selection
> events, be one of unquestioned fairness, integrity and attention to 
> detail
> and must include having successfully judged "Unknowns."
>
> If the judge lacks any of these qualifications, then his effectiveness 
> as
> the AMA and US representative is reduced until his abilities have a 
> chance
> to be recognized while "in action" overseas.
>
> Finally, the AMA President must be personally comfortable with the 
> names
> presented to the FAI. After all, the judge represents the AMA 
> President.
>
> Any
>
> problems that develop, or performance that under serves, reflects 
> poorly
> upon the AMA President, the AMA and on all US RC modeling in the 
> World's
> eyes. That is why the AMA President alone is the only one to make the
>
> judges
>
> list selection and chooses whose name is first on the list given the 
> FAI.
>
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