Fw: Judging Controversy - Part 2

Mon Sep 13 05:23:42 AKDT 2004

Ken:
I'm still working on it, but as of now, what you state below is 
basically true.  Except, AMA doesn't have to pay attention to any list 
submitted by the NSRCA.
And, secondly, it appears that the "list" could consist on one name, 
picked by the AMA, to represent us.  Which means, of course, a de facto 
pick by the AMA and not the FAI, since a one person list doesn't give 
the FAI folks much of a pick.  And, apparently, that's what happened in 
this case.  As I say, I'm still working on it.  I've always wondered 
just how this worked. 

Bill Glaze

Ken Velez wrote:

>  Bill, the way I understand it is that NSRCA submits a list to the AMA 
> which will present a list to FAI and the FAI will make the decision. 
> But the only difference that I see here is that Bob Noll was selected 
> for the 2003 WC by the AMA apparently not knowing that the judge for 
> 2003 was already been selected and was reassigned to 2005 WC.
>  
> Ken
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Bill Glaze <mailto:billglaze at triad.rr.com>
>     To: discussion at nsrca.org <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>     Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:19 AM
>     Subject: Re: Fw: Judging Controversy - Part 2
>
>     Ken:
>     Thanks for Part 2.  But, I'm still confused by the contradictory
>     statements.  Does our judge get chosen from a list submitted to
>     the FAI by the AMA, or does the judge get chosen by the AMA,
>     (Presumably Dave Brown?)  I realize that, at this juncture, the
>     AMA is not required to recognize any list of preferred persons
>     submitted to it by NSRCA.  Was Bob Noll chosen by AMA fiat, or was
>     he chosen from a list submitted to FAI, by the FAI committee? 
>     Understand: I am certainly not challenging his, or anyone's,
>     qualifications.  Just trying to acquaint myself (and, hopefully,
>     others who may be interested) in the chain of command and legal
>     procedure.
>     Thanks to all of the knowledgeable folks who are enlightening the
>     rest of us.  It just may stimulate a further interest in flying
>     FAI :-)
>
>     Bill Glaze
>
>     Ken Velez wrote:
>
>>Here is part 2
>>
>>Ken
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:38 PM
>>Subject: Re: Judging Controversy - Part 2
>>
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>>>The AMA responded positively to the NSRCA efforts by requesting that the
>>>NSRCA submit FIVE potential WC judges to add to the AMA President's list
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>>of
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>>>potential American WC judges for future reference. While the AMA offered
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>>to
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>>>consider the NSRCA nominees, it did not commit to choosing one of the
>>>nominees as a judge. They did promise to consider our nominees very
>>>seriously, however. Significantly, Bob Noll was also included in the top
>>>five judges and was therefore recommended to the AMA along with four
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>>others.
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>>>Here occurred the major misunderstanding. It is possible that some members
>>>of the NSRCA Board thought the "NSRCA Five" that were submitted in June
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>>2004
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>>>were to serve at the 2005 WC. Wrong. Based upon the prior NSRCA - AMA
>>>consultations, Bob Noll's name had already been sent to the FAI in 2003
>>>along with others. The FAI nominated four people from the list, Earl, Bob,
>>>Matt Kebabjian and Don Ramsey as potential 2005 US judges in March 2004,
>>>months before the NSRCA Five were nominated. The "Five" are, in reality,
>>>    
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>>our
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>>>nominees for 2007.
>>>
>>>However, it is very important to note that the WC US judge represents, not
>>>the NSRCA, but the AMA and the United States to the World. Therefore, the
>>>selected nominee needs to have far more abilities than just being a good
>>>judge. While judging ability is important, it is just really a minor
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>>factor
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>>>in the selection. Actually, good judging performance is considered a
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>>"given"
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>>>in our WC judge. Fortunately, through Ron and company's efforts, we have a
>>>system for making sure that this "given" is actually present in our
>>>nominees.
>>>
>>>But There are far more important factors than simple judging ability in
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>>the
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>>>selection. Why?
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>>>First, our WC judge must possess accomplished diplomatic and sales skills
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>>in
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>>>order to weave effectively through the complex international factors,
>>>cliques, undercurrents and intrigue that are part of the WC to best
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>>benefit
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>>>the US Team. Most countries send the same judge every year and
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>>relationships
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>>>are built that our judge, being new, is not party to. He must build those
>>>relationships quickly and effectively.
>>>
>>>Second, our judge must posses an international reputation that engenders
>>>respect in order to maximize his effectiveness in the short time period
>>>available.
>>>
>>>Third, the judge's "resume" must be superb and beyond reproach. It should
>>>include judging and/or managing National Contests, judging Team Selection
>>>events, be one of unquestioned fairness, integrity and attention to detail
>>>and must include having successfully judged "Unknowns."
>>>
>>>If the judge lacks any of these qualifications, then his effectiveness as
>>>the AMA and US representative is reduced until his abilities have a chance
>>>to be recognized while "in action" overseas.
>>>
>>>Finally, the AMA President must be personally comfortable with the names
>>>presented to the FAI. After all, the judge represents the AMA President.
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>>Any
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>>>problems that develop, or performance that under serves, reflects poorly
>>>upon the AMA President, the AMA and on all US RC modeling in the World's
>>>eyes. That is why the AMA President alone is the only one to make the
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>>judges
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>>>list selection and chooses whose name is first on the list given the FAI.
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