European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
Bill Glaze
billglaze at triad.rr.com
Mon Sep 6 18:49:59 AKDT 2004
Eric:
One question to your complete essay on the situation: you mentioned
that Bob Noll was "chosen." Out of curiosity, who chose him?
International level, or somewone in the U.S. If here, who?
I'm a little hazy; you mentioned that Dave Brown chose Mike Dunphy.
(Certainly a well-qualified judge; probably few could surpass his skill.)
Under normal circumstances, just who chooses the judge? The FAI from a
list supplied them? Or the AMA? I'm just trying to be better informed
about the process, without having to wade through a library of printed
matter and make an interpretation<G> Thanks for your time.
Bill Glaze
Joe Lachowski wrote:
> Ron, I like like your idea of giving people as much information as
> possible, too. I followed up on this issue with Eric Henderson who was
> president when most of this occured. Attached below is his response to
> my question regarding choice of Bob Noll as US judge:
>
>
> Joe,
> I would like to point out that it is well documented that Bob
> Noll was the NSRCA official nomination for the USA FAI-F3A judge for
> the world F3A championships in Ireland that last time around before
> Poland.
>
> Dave Brown elected to choose Mike Dumphy. Mike performed well and
> because of his performance and that of Earl Haury before him,
> (Pensacola worlds), restored the USA to having a good reputation in
> the global pattern community.
>
> This was particularly important after the debacle in Australia when
> the USA judge was removed from the panel because of apparent biased
> scored towards the USA pilots. Guess who the judge was, none other
> than Ron VP himself!
>
> Dave Brown had a mess on his hands. It was partially fixed but needed
> more consolidation. Dave then followed Skinner's lead and chose Mike
> Dumphy again so we would be sending a familiar and also
> internationally experienced USA judge on the panel.
>
> Then, with Mike on the panel in Poland, Bob was invited to attend and
> prepare for France. Bob was not funded so it was on his own dime -
> there's dedication for you. Sounded like a good plan to me.
>
> It must be recognized and remembered by all that this is an AMA team
> and the AMA chooses who we send as a judge. The TBL assessment of
> judges is only one indicator of judging performance. It is also
> important to experienced and recognized. Bob has done many types of
> judging at all levels including several team trials.
>
> In a year of elections professional politicians and society officers
> are often seen scrambling for some vital "issue" that makes them
> indispensable or invaluable. Clearly Ron has attached himself to the
> FAI judging issue. It could also be taken that Ron VP has an axe to
> grind with the AMA and takes every opportunity to take a shot at them.
>
> This is not new behavior and it makes it very hard for the rest of us
> who have been working well with the AMA towards a better SIG
> relationship.
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric.
>
>
>
>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
>> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:38:50 -0500
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2004, at 6:13 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>>
>>> Joe:
>>> I would like to raise the idea that things like this, perhaps, are
>>> just what the membership needs to know is going on. I hope that
>>> informing us is the idea here; I hope that there are no private axes
>>> to grind; if so, they will quickly out. If there is somebody else
>>> running for office, I feel that it is possible that information like
>>> this will make people aware of just why they should vote a certain
>>> way. I hope. An informed electorate............well, you get the
>>> idea.
>>
>>
>> Bill Glaze is right. My philosophy is, "There's no such thing as too
>> much information". I wanted everyone to know what was going on with
>> the F3A judge selection for the 2005 World Championships. I don't
>> like someone, "working the system" to be "selected" for the World
>> Championships, when there are three other U.S. judges with better
>> ratings.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>> Joe Lachowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron could you please leave be already. This is not the place to air
>>>> this stuff. This is something the NSRCA executive needs to handle
>>>> between it and the AMA. Hope you're not voting for the incumbent
>>>> in the coming AMA election. <g>.
>>>>
>>>> Vote Dave Mathewson for Pesident.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> Subject: Fwd: European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:58:41 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> All - Another e-mail I got from Bengt-Eric Soderstrom follows. I
>>>>> find it interesting that Bob Skinner (from South Africa, who is
>>>>> the chairman of the international committee for F3A world
>>>>> championships) said that Bob Noll would be the next U.S. world
>>>>> championships judge, when it is up to a country to submit a list
>>>>> of potential judge candidates and the responsibility of the host
>>>>> country's organizing committee to select from the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Bengt-Erik Soderstrom <bes at wll.swipnet.se>
>>>>>> Date: September 6, 2004 9:30:04 AM CDT
>>>>>> To: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi again Ron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again about Bob Noll:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The information I wrote (below) I got from Bob Skinner now, two
>>>>>> weeks ago, in Portugal.. He said that Bob Noll would be the next
>>>>>> U.S judge, and found it good that he was - on his own initiative
>>>>>> - training himself in Poland.. He also had some comments about
>>>>>> U.S judges being appointed for a two-year period, which means
>>>>>> that U.S.A will on each World Champs have a rookie judge, and it
>>>>>> would be better if they could at least be listed and available
>>>>>> for 2 WCs.
>>>>>> But of course, AMA is the U.S body to make the official judges
>>>>>> list for the U.S.A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also hope our paths will cross again, why don't you come to
>>>>>> France next year?
>>>>>> Would be nice ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bengt-Erik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bengt-Eric - Nice to hear from you. Thanks for the report on
>>>>>>> the European Champs. I forwarded it to our R/C aerobatics
>>>>>>> discussion list to let them know about the European Champs and
>>>>>>> what you said about Bob Noll. When you read the way I prefaced
>>>>>>> your e-mail, you will understand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck. I hope our paths cross in the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>>>>> Date: September 5, 2004 3:20:36 PM CDT
>>>>>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All - I just got the forwarded e-mail from Bengt-Erik
>>>>>>>> Soderstrom, who is a Swedish F3A judge. I met him at the 1995
>>>>>>>> F3A World Championships in Kasaoka, Japan. We hung out
>>>>>>>> together throughout the event. We renewed our acquaintance at
>>>>>>>> the 1999 F3A World Championships in Pensacola, FL. In fact,
>>>>>>>> his return flight was out of New Orleans, so I took him over
>>>>>>>> there a day early and we spent the afternoon/evening at the
>>>>>>>> French Quarter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You will note that he refers to Bob Noll as THE U.S. judge for
>>>>>>>> the next F3A World Championships. This despite the fact that
>>>>>>>> the list of the top five U.S. judges is just now being sent to
>>>>>>>> the 2005 F3A World Championships organizing committee and Bob
>>>>>>>> Noll is the fourth-ranked judge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This all started when Bob announced to me at the 2003 F3A Team
>>>>>>>> Selection Finals that he was to be the U.S. judge in 2005. He
>>>>>>>> paid his own way to Poland and announced there that he was to
>>>>>>>> be the U.S. judge in 2005. He managed to get into all the
>>>>>>>> judging functions and did practice judging with the actual
>>>>>>>> judges. This is a very curious situation. How Noll can be so
>>>>>>>> sure that he will be the 2005 U.S. judge is beyond me, unless
>>>>>>>> he has a high-level AMA official as a sponsor (read Dave Brown).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's Bengt-Eric's e-mail:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Bengt-Erik Soderstrom <bes at wll.swipnet.se>
>>>>>>>>> Date: September 5, 2004 1:50:59 PM CDT
>>>>>>>>> To: vanputte at cox.net
>>>>>>>>> Subject: European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi there Ron, long time, no see...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it would be interesting for you to get a small report
>>>>>>>>> from the 2004 EU Champs in F3A, just recently held, all seen
>>>>>>>>> through a judge's eye
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Winner this time was Roland Matt - Wolfgangs son
>>>>>>>>> 2nd was Christophe Paysant-Le Roux
>>>>>>>>> 3rd was Wolfgang Matt
>>>>>>>>> It was during the whole competition very close between Roland
>>>>>>>>> and Christophe. It was a tie in the finals, so then the semi
>>>>>>>>> finals results needed to be used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Matts were flying their latest: the Lazulite and this time
>>>>>>>>> the electric version. Weight of their models were 4950 grams
>>>>>>>>> incl battery.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It looks like that this event was really the breakthrough for
>>>>>>>>> the electric power-plants. Many pilots in spite of the very
>>>>>>>>> high pricetag flew electric models.
>>>>>>>>> (Electric engine incl regulating electronics, gearbox etc.:
>>>>>>>>> About 1.000 US$, Battery pack about 800 $.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I heard that in the next year's World Champs, to be held in
>>>>>>>>> St-Yan in France. Bob Noll has been chosen as the U.S judge.
>>>>>>>>> I met him in Poland last year, he is a good guy and he is very
>>>>>>>>> welcome into the club. St-Yan is a small town not easily
>>>>>>>>> found on the maps, but it is situated about half way between
>>>>>>>>> Paris and Lyon, right in the center of the best wine districts
>>>>>>>>> in France.
>>>>>>>>> If you happen to met him, please give him my regards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Word goes around that the 2007 World champs will go to Canada,
>>>>>>>>> we will see.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope everything is well with you, Ron. I wish you and your
>>>>>>>>> wife all the best.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bengt-Erik Soderstrom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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