European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004

Ron Van Putte vanputte at cox.net
Mon Sep 6 19:01:49 AKDT 2004 

On Sep 6, 2004, at 8:34 PM, Joe Lachowski wrote:

> Ron, I like like your idea of giving people as much information as 
> possible, too. I followed up on this issue with Eric Henderson who was 
> president when most of this occured. Attached below is his response to 
> my question regarding choice of Bob Noll as US judge:
>
>
> Joe,
>        I would like to point out that it is well documented that Bob 
> Noll was the NSRCA official nomination for the USA FAI-F3A judge for 
> the world F3A championships in Ireland that last time around before 
> Poland.
>
>    Dave Brown elected to choose Mike Dumphy. Mike performed well and 
> because of his performance and that of Earl Haury before him, 
> (Pensacola worlds), restored the USA to having a good reputation in 
> the global pattern community.
>
> This was particularly important after the debacle in Australia when 
> the USA judge was removed from the panel because of apparent biased 
> scored towards the USA pilots. Guess who the judge was, none other 
> than Ron VP himself!

This is interesting.  I wasn't in Australia. RVP

> Dave Brown had a mess on his hands. It was partially fixed but needed 
> more consolidation. Dave then followed Skinner's lead and chose Mike 
> Dumphy again so we would be sending a familiar and also 
> internationally experienced USA judge on the panel.
>
> Then, with Mike on the panel in Poland, Bob was invited to attend and 
> prepare for France. Bob was not funded so it was on his own dime - 
> there's dedication for you. Sounded like a good plan to me.
>
> It must be recognized and remembered by all that this is an AMA team 
> and the AMA chooses who we send as a judge. The TBL assessment of 
> judges is only one indicator of judging performance. It is also 
> important to experienced and recognized. Bob has done many types of 
> judging at all levels including several team trials.

If this is the way judges are selected, NSRCA should cease all efforts 
to rate judges.  RVP

> In a year of elections professional politicians and society officers 
> are often seen scrambling for some vital "issue" that makes them 
> indispensable or invaluable. Clearly Ron has attached himself to the 
> FAI judging issue. It could also be taken that Ron VP has an axe to 
> grind with the AMA and takes every opportunity to take a shot at them.

I just want AMA to live up to their commitments to the NSRCA regarding 
F3A World Championships judges.  If "working well" with AMA means we 
take what they give and say, "Thank you", don't plan on my cooperation.
RVP

> This is not new behavior and it makes it very hard for the rest of us 
> who have been working well with the AMA  towards a better SIG 
> relationship.

My behavior is pretty consistent: I don't take unfair policy and 
practices well and will continue to fight them wherever I find them.  
RVP


>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: European Champs, Alcochete, Portugal 2004
>> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:38:50 -0500
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2004, at 6:13 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>>
>>> Joe:
>>> I would like to raise the idea that things like this, perhaps, are 
>>> just what the membership needs to know is going on.  I hope that 
>>> informing us is the idea here; I hope that there are no private axes 
>>> to grind; if so, they will quickly out.  If there is somebody else 
>>> running for office, I feel that it is possible that information like 
>>> this will make people aware of just why they should vote a certain 
>>> way.  I hope.  An informed electorate............well, you get the 
>>> idea.
>>
>> Bill Glaze is right.  My philosophy is, "There's no such thing as too 
>> much information".  I wanted everyone to know what was going on with 
>> the F3A judge selection for the 2005 World Championships.  I don't 
>> like someone, "working the system" to be "selected" for the World 
>> Championships, when there are three other U.S. judges with better 
>> ratings.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>> Joe Lachowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron could you please leave be already. This is not the place to air 
>>>> this stuff.  This is something the NSRCA executive needs to handle 
>>>> between it and the AMA.  Hope you're not voting for the incumbent 
>>>> in the coming AMA election. <g>.
>>>>
>>>> Vote Dave Mathewson for Pesident.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>> Subject: Fwd: European Champs,  Alcochete, Portugal  2004
>>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:58:41 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>> All - Another e-mail I got  from Bengt-Eric Soderstrom follows.  I 
>>>>> find it interesting that Bob Skinner (from South Africa, who is 
>>>>> the chairman of the international committee for F3A world 
>>>>> championships) said that Bob Noll would be the next U.S. world 
>>>>> championships judge, when it is up to a country to submit a list 
>>>>> of potential judge candidates and the responsibility of the host 
>>>>> country's  organizing committee to select from the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Bengt-Erik Soderstrom <bes at wll.swipnet.se>
>>>>>> Date: September 6, 2004 9:30:04 AM CDT
>>>>>> To: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: European Champs,  Alcochete, Portugal  2004
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi again Ron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again about Bob Noll:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The information I wrote (below) I got from Bob Skinner now, two 
>>>>>> weeks ago,  in Portugal.. He said that Bob Noll would be the next 
>>>>>> U.S judge, and found it good that he was - on his own initiative 
>>>>>> - training himself in Poland.. He also had some comments about 
>>>>>> U.S judges being appointed for a two-year period, which means 
>>>>>> that U.S.A will on each World Champs have a rookie judge, and it 
>>>>>> would be better if they could at least be listed and available 
>>>>>> for 2  WCs.
>>>>>> But of course, AMA is the U.S body to make the official judges 
>>>>>> list for the U.S.A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also hope our paths will cross again, why don't you come to 
>>>>>> France next year?
>>>>>> Would be nice ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bengt-Erik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bengt-Eric - Nice to hear from you.  Thanks for the report on 
>>>>>>> the European Champs.  I forwarded it to our R/C aerobatics 
>>>>>>> discussion list to let them know about the European Champs and 
>>>>>>> what you said about Bob Noll.  When you read the way I prefaced 
>>>>>>> your e-mail, you will understand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck.  I hope our paths cross in the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>>>>>>> Date: September 5, 2004 3:20:36 PM CDT
>>>>>>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: European Champs,  Alcochete, Portugal  2004
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All - I just got the forwarded e-mail from Bengt-Erik 
>>>>>>>> Soderstrom, who is a Swedish F3A judge.  I met him at the 1995 
>>>>>>>> F3A World Championships in Kasaoka, Japan.  We hung out 
>>>>>>>> together throughout the event.  We renewed our acquaintance at 
>>>>>>>> the 1999 F3A World Championships in Pensacola, FL.  In fact, 
>>>>>>>> his return flight was out of New Orleans, so I took him over 
>>>>>>>> there a day early and we spent the afternoon/evening at the 
>>>>>>>> French Quarter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You will note that he refers to Bob Noll as THE U.S. judge for 
>>>>>>>> the next F3A World Championships.  This despite the fact that 
>>>>>>>> the list of the top five U.S. judges is just now being sent to 
>>>>>>>> the 2005 F3A World Championships organizing committee and Bob 
>>>>>>>> Noll is the fourth-ranked judge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This all started when Bob announced to me at the 2003 F3A Team 
>>>>>>>> Selection Finals that he was to be the U.S. judge in 2005.  He 
>>>>>>>> paid his own way to Poland and announced there that he was to 
>>>>>>>> be the U.S. judge in 2005.  He managed to get into all the 
>>>>>>>> judging functions and did practice judging with the actual 
>>>>>>>> judges.   This is a very curious situation.  How Noll can be so 
>>>>>>>> sure that he will be the 2005 U.S. judge is beyond me, unless 
>>>>>>>> he has a high-level AMA official as a sponsor (read Dave 
>>>>>>>> Brown).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's Bengt-Eric's e-mail:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ron Van Putte
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Bengt-Erik Soderstrom <bes at wll.swipnet.se>
>>>>>>>>> Date: September 5, 2004 1:50:59 PM CDT
>>>>>>>>> To: vanputte at cox.net
>>>>>>>>> Subject: European Champs,  Alcochete, Portugal  2004
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi there Ron, long time, no see...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it would be interesting for you to get a small report 
>>>>>>>>> from the 2004 EU Champs in F3A, just recently held, all seen 
>>>>>>>>> through a judge's eye
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Winner this time was Roland Matt  - Wolfgangs son
>>>>>>>>> 2nd was Christophe Paysant-Le Roux
>>>>>>>>> 3rd was Wolfgang Matt
>>>>>>>>> It was during the whole competition very close between Roland 
>>>>>>>>> and Christophe. It was a tie in the finals, so then the semi 
>>>>>>>>> finals results needed to be used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Matts were flying their latest: the Lazulite and this time 
>>>>>>>>> the electric version.  Weight of their models were 4950 grams 
>>>>>>>>> incl battery.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It looks like that this event was really the breakthrough for 
>>>>>>>>> the electric power-plants. Many pilots in spite of the very 
>>>>>>>>> high pricetag flew electric models.
>>>>>>>>> (Electric engine incl regulating electronics, gearbox etc.: 
>>>>>>>>> About 1.000 US$, Battery pack about 800 $.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I heard that in the next year's World Champs, to be held in 
>>>>>>>>> St-Yan in France.  Bob Noll has been chosen as the U.S judge. 
>>>>>>>>> I met him in Poland last year, he is a good guy and he is very 
>>>>>>>>> welcome into the club.  St-Yan is a small town not easily 
>>>>>>>>> found on the maps, but it is situated about half way between 
>>>>>>>>> Paris and Lyon, right in the center of the best wine districts 
>>>>>>>>> in France.
>>>>>>>>> If you happen to met him, please give him my regards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Word goes around that the 2007 World champs will go to Canada, 
>>>>>>>>> we will see.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope everything is well with you, Ron. I wish you and your 
>>>>>>>>> wife all the best.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bengt-Erik Soderstrom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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