CD's

[Charlie Rock]

Having Sportsman class do the scribing that way they can watch at times and compare what the other judge gave for a score, compared to their interpetation, and ask questions after the flying..Would cure the dreaded C/D issue of no scribes in the higher classes..Kill two birds with one stone that way...Of course if there is a low turnout of Sportsman back to square one. Just a thought! Charlie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:56 PM
  Subject: Re: CD's


  I think that its a good idea to give Sportsmen the opportunity to judge unofficially. Have a Sportsman pilot judge along with with the seasoned judges that have be asigned for the round, any class. Have them discretely look over the assigned judges' shoulders. No talking of course until the flights are done, and their scores do not count, but what better way to expose Sportsmen pilots?

  Do this only for the first two rounds of a contest or until all the Sportmen have "judged", which ever is best to expose all. Takes just a bit more planning by the CD but the service to the judging pool in any District would be invaluable.

  Doesn't answer Nat's original issue with too many pilots not enough judges, but its a start. By the second or third contest, you could have an extra half dozen judges you otherwise wouldn't have.

  MattK

  In a message dated 10/28/2004 7:33:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrandmrst at comcast.net writes:
    Hi All,
     I have yet to be at a contest that Sportsman pilots were given the opportunity to judge, however, I can surely see that logic.  Most Sportsman pilots, that I have met, are so new to the Pattern world, they haven't the knowledge of proper form of the maneuvers in the upper classes to judge them fairly.
    You have to know what the maneuver is supposed to look like to judge it properly.  As for myself, I have completed about half of a complete season as a Sportsman pilot in D4, and I plan to attend a judging seminar next year so I can be of service if called upon.

    Ken
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Wayne Galligan 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:58 PM
      Subject: Re: CD's


      Nat,

      I think one should at least have attended a judging seminar.  I for one did not feel comfortable judging till I went to a judging seminar.  At that point do you have a good idea of what constitutes the criterion for being able to judge a given class?  I think when you can keep up with each maneuver with out any lapse in judgment to the next maneuver your capable of judging that class.  Heck... sportsman class can be a challenge when you have a guy that flies a fast pattern.   Be fair to yourself and don't be ashamed if you missed a maneuver. That's what N/O (not observed) rule is for.  Use a scribe if you feel the flow goes to fast so you can concentrate on the whole picture.  As Master Don Ramsey taught me... All maneuvers start with 10 and then get deductions from there.  Don't make the mistake like I did when I  first started judging of watching the whole maneuver then giving a score.  Takes to much time to think about it.

      Wayne GO. want be a good judge.


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Nat Penton 
        To: discussion at nsrca.org 
        Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:07 PM
        Subject: CD's


        The Sulphur , La. contest was just completed with six rounds flown. There were 23 fliers with 8 sportsman and 7 intermediate.

        The judge assignments were approached with the following (mis) conceptions:
                Sportsman            no judging
                Intermediate          Sports and Adv only

        This placed quite a burden on the upper class judges.

        Would appreciate comments regarding criteria. TIA
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