Practice tools

Thu Oct 7 16:59:36 AKDT 2004

Don,
How about ground clearance. On my Shock-Flyer I have to hand launch and 
belly down on the 11-7 Slo Fly prop. On the Tribute I have the AXI2208-34 as 
used at the mini-TOC by the winners and a 9x4 prop; both configurations are 
giving full vertical.
The large prop (in my opinion) is 'torquing' the foamie too much as I need a 
lot more right rudder in hovers. Any ideas?
Anyway, the ultralight foamies are a blast!
Wade
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don McCullough" <donald_mccullough at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>; "'Wade Akle'" <wbakle at charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Practice tools

> Wade,
>
> My biggest concern with outriggers is the ability to turn a large prop.
> I have used the Razor 400 with the stock 5.3:1 GWS gearbox and also the
> HiMaxx 2015-4100 with the Hi-Max 6:1 gearbox. Both can turn an 11-7 prop
> with ease. With smaller props the plane is faster but vertical really
> suffers. Based on the AXI's 1250 rpm/v rating I doubt it would swing a
> prop larger than a 9-7. The HiMaxx is a great combination for about $66
> for motor/gearbox. The gearbox is much quieter than the GWS and much
> more rugged. That would be my recommendation for the Formosa.
>
> As to the Formosa II, it should also be a great plane, but would require
> a much more powerful motor, probably the HiMaxx 2025 with gearbox, and
> 2amp Thunder Tiger next gen cells.
>
> Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. This is a
> good time as I am just starting my second Formosa. Hopefully I will
> bring out the Formosa next year to a pattern meet.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Wade Akle
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:23 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Practice tools
>
> Don,
> Thanks for a great  and informative response. The Formosa is for close
> to
> home Patern and not for 'hovering'. I do have the 'flat plate' foamies
> for
> mad-3D.
>
> I have an AXI2208-34; what do you think of it for the Formosa.
>
> I will also be building a Tango and Facination (thanks to John's
> recommendation). This will give me a full range (39"/16oz  to 55"/3+Lbs)
>
> from which to select the smallest capable airplane. Total cost for the 3
>
> kits is $210.
>
> Wade
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don McCullough" <donald_mccullough at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:47 AM
> Subject: RE: Practice tools
>
>
>> Wade,
>>
>> GWS makes the Formosa and it is imported by Horizon. It is a great
> plane
>> when you add a brushless motor and Li-Po batteries. I have been flying
>> the current and next year's Masters pattern with it. Great snaps and
>> power. It flies the pattern very similar to the 2M ships with the same
>> performance. The only real difference is you have to be a bit quicker
> on
>> the sticks. I find this a good thing because when I fly a 2M patter
> ship
>> it is much more relaxing to fly.
>>
>> I put up a web page with my Formosa experiences. I have now changed to
>> the new Thunder Tiger 1350 next generation packs for even more power.
>>
>> Liked it so much I am building another one - this time with about 1/4"
>> dihedral to counteract some adverse roll with rudder.
>>
>> Here is the site:
>>
>> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/donald_mccullough/index.html
>>
>>
>> Don McCullough
>> NSRCA 1520
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>> On Behalf Of Wade Akle
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:45 AM
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: Practice tools
>>
>> Rick,
>> Who makes the Formosa?
>> Wade
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "rickwallace45" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:31 PM
>> Subject: RE: Practice tools
>>
>>
>> Anthony -
>> I've flown a Shock Flier briefly and it's fun...
>> But (after a dozen or so flights) the Formosa w/ a Eflite 370
> brushless
>> is
>> the closest thing to a foam pattern plane I've seen or flown.
> Certainly
>> no
>> replacement for a Focus or Hyde Away or ..., but way better than a
> shock
>> flier I think.
>>
>> Haven't flown Real Flight G2, but G1 is stretched to allow a pilot to
>> work
>> individual maneuvers - I learned initial slow roll inputs that way -
> but
>> lines (horizontal and vertical) are completely impossible.
>>
>> Come down this weekend and we can play w/ the foamies!
>>
>> -Rick
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of John Pavlick
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:52 PM
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: RE: Practice tools
>>
>> Anthony,
>> I haven't had much luck with any of the sims (although I haven't tried
>> the
>> Ikarus 3D sim), mostly because it's hard to duplicate pattern flying.
>> What I
>> mean is, the view ports don't really provide any good reference points
>> for
>> lines, etc. I like to use the Ikarus Shock Flyers for practice. You
> can
>> fly
>> them anywhere (even indoors in the Winter) and they're not too
>> expensive.
>> The $60.00 kit with the can motor is fine if you use small servos and
> a
>> 3S
>> 340 LiPo pack. Keep it light!!! Leave the L.G. off - you won't need it
>> and
>> it's heavy and breaks easily. Cheaper than the Formosa - save your
> money
>> for
>> fuel!
>>
>> John Pavlick
>> http://www.idseng.com
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:12 PM
>>> To: pattern at rcmailinglists.com; discussion at nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Practice tools
>>>
>>>
>>> Trying to get ready for the move for Master and wondering, what would
>> be
>>> better? A simulator or a pattern foamie? Thinking Ikarus flight sim
> or
>> an
>>> Axi equipped Formosa.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Anthony
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