Practice tools

Thu Oct 7 16:37:59 AKDT 2004

Wade,

My biggest concern with outriggers is the ability to turn a large prop.
I have used the Razor 400 with the stock 5.3:1 GWS gearbox and also the
HiMaxx 2015-4100 with the Hi-Max 6:1 gearbox. Both can turn an 11-7 prop
with ease. With smaller props the plane is faster but vertical really
suffers. Based on the AXI's 1250 rpm/v rating I doubt it would swing a
prop larger than a 9-7. The HiMaxx is a great combination for about $66
for motor/gearbox. The gearbox is much quieter than the GWS and much
more rugged. That would be my recommendation for the Formosa.

As to the Formosa II, it should also be a great plane, but would require
a much more powerful motor, probably the HiMaxx 2025 with gearbox, and
2amp Thunder Tiger next gen cells.

Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. This is a
good time as I am just starting my second Formosa. Hopefully I will
bring out the Formosa next year to a pattern meet.

Enjoy,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Wade Akle
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:23 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Practice tools

Don,
Thanks for a great  and informative response. The Formosa is for close
to 
home Patern and not for 'hovering'. I do have the 'flat plate' foamies
for 
mad-3D.

I have an AXI2208-34; what do you think of it for the Formosa.

I will also be building a Tango and Facination (thanks to John's 
recommendation). This will give me a full range (39"/16oz  to 55"/3+Lbs)

from which to select the smallest capable airplane. Total cost for the 3

kits is $210.

Wade

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don McCullough" <donald_mccullough at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Practice tools

> Wade,
>
> GWS makes the Formosa and it is imported by Horizon. It is a great
plane
> when you add a brushless motor and Li-Po batteries. I have been flying
> the current and next year's Masters pattern with it. Great snaps and
> power. It flies the pattern very similar to the 2M ships with the same
> performance. The only real difference is you have to be a bit quicker
on
> the sticks. I find this a good thing because when I fly a 2M patter
ship
> it is much more relaxing to fly.
>
> I put up a web page with my Formosa experiences. I have now changed to
> the new Thunder Tiger 1350 next generation packs for even more power.
>
> Liked it so much I am building another one - this time with about 1/4"
> dihedral to counteract some adverse roll with rudder.
>
> Here is the site:
>
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/donald_mccullough/index.html
>
>
> Don McCullough
> NSRCA 1520
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Wade Akle
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:45 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Practice tools
>
> Rick,
> Who makes the Formosa?
> Wade
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "rickwallace45" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:31 PM
> Subject: RE: Practice tools
>
>
> Anthony -
> I've flown a Shock Flier briefly and it's fun...
> But (after a dozen or so flights) the Formosa w/ a Eflite 370
brushless
> is
> the closest thing to a foam pattern plane I've seen or flown.
Certainly
> no
> replacement for a Focus or Hyde Away or ..., but way better than a
shock
> flier I think.
>
> Haven't flown Real Flight G2, but G1 is stretched to allow a pilot to
> work
> individual maneuvers - I learned initial slow roll inputs that way -
but
> lines (horizontal and vertical) are completely impossible.
>
> Come down this weekend and we can play w/ the foamies!
>
> -Rick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On
> Behalf Of John Pavlick
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:52 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: Practice tools
>
> Anthony,
> I haven't had much luck with any of the sims (although I haven't tried
> the
> Ikarus 3D sim), mostly because it's hard to duplicate pattern flying.
> What I
> mean is, the view ports don't really provide any good reference points
> for
> lines, etc. I like to use the Ikarus Shock Flyers for practice. You
can
> fly
> them anywhere (even indoors in the Winter) and they're not too
> expensive.
> The $60.00 kit with the can motor is fine if you use small servos and
a
> 3S
> 340 LiPo pack. Keep it light!!! Leave the L.G. off - you won't need it
> and
> it's heavy and breaks easily. Cheaper than the Formosa - save your
money
> for
> fuel!
>
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:12 PM
>> To: pattern at rcmailinglists.com; discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: Practice tools
>>
>>
>> Trying to get ready for the move for Master and wondering, what would
> be
>> better? A simulator or a pattern foamie? Thinking Ikarus flight sim
or
> an
>> Axi equipped Formosa.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Anthony
>>
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