Practice tools

Thu Oct 7 21:02:47 AKDT 2004

No problem with clearance. I take off and land from a street. The shot
of the Formosa taking off is with an 11-7 Slow-Fly prop.

The 11-7 gives a much more consistent speed (I have to add some power on
a down-hill 45 like the new double diamond in masters). It makes it fly
like the larger electrics. The Formosa has no torque problems with the
big prop (probably due to its long moments). It flies just like a good
2-meter - going vertical like being pulled by a wrench. There is
incredible throttle management with this combination. I even fly it in
moderate wind. 

You are right about the foam planes being a blast. Plus if you crash it
usually is about $45 and ten hours gets you back in the air.

Enjoy,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Wade Akle
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:00 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Practice tools

Don,
How about ground clearance. On my Shock-Flyer I have to hand launch and 
belly down on the 11-7 Slo Fly prop. On the Tribute I have the
AXI2208-34 as 
used at the mini-TOC by the winners and a 9x4 prop; both configurations
are 
giving full vertical.
The large prop (in my opinion) is 'torquing' the foamie too much as I
need a 
lot more right rudder in hovers. Any ideas?
Anyway, the ultralight foamies are a blast!
Wade
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don McCullough" <donald_mccullough at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>; "'Wade Akle'" <wbakle at charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Practice tools

> Wade,
>
> My biggest concern with outriggers is the ability to turn a large
prop.
> I have used the Razor 400 with the stock 5.3:1 GWS gearbox and also
the
> HiMaxx 2015-4100 with the Hi-Max 6:1 gearbox. Both can turn an 11-7
prop
> with ease. With smaller props the plane is faster but vertical really
> suffers. Based on the AXI's 1250 rpm/v rating I doubt it would swing a
> prop larger than a 9-7. The HiMaxx is a great combination for about
$66
> for motor/gearbox. The gearbox is much quieter than the GWS and much
> more rugged. That would be my recommendation for the Formosa.
>
> As to the Formosa II, it should also be a great plane, but would
require
> a much more powerful motor, probably the HiMaxx 2025 with gearbox, and
> 2amp Thunder Tiger next gen cells.
>
> Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. This is a
> good time as I am just starting my second Formosa. Hopefully I will
> bring out the Formosa next year to a pattern meet.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Don
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Wade Akle
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:23 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Practice tools
>
> Don,
> Thanks for a great  and informative response. The Formosa is for close
> to
> home Patern and not for 'hovering'. I do have the 'flat plate' foamies
> for
> mad-3D.
>
> I have an AXI2208-34; what do you think of it for the Formosa.
>
> I will also be building a Tango and Facination (thanks to John's
> recommendation). This will give me a full range (39"/16oz  to
55"/3+Lbs)
>
> from which to select the smallest capable airplane. Total cost for the
3
>
> kits is $210.
>
> Wade
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don McCullough" <donald_mccullough at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:47 AM
> Subject: RE: Practice tools
>
>
>> Wade,
>>
>> GWS makes the Formosa and it is imported by Horizon. It is a great
> plane
>> when you add a brushless motor and Li-Po batteries. I have been
flying
>> the current and next year's Masters pattern with it. Great snaps and
>> power. It flies the pattern very similar to the 2M ships with the
same
>> performance. The only real difference is you have to be a bit quicker
> on
>> the sticks. I find this a good thing because when I fly a 2M patter
> ship
>> it is much more relaxing to fly.
>>
>> I put up a web page with my Formosa experiences. I have now changed
to
>> the new Thunder Tiger 1350 next generation packs for even more power.
>>
>> Liked it so much I am building another one - this time with about
1/4"
>> dihedral to counteract some adverse roll with rudder.
>>
>> Here is the site:
>>
>> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/donald_mccullough/index.html
>>
>>
>> Don McCullough
>> NSRCA 1520
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>> On Behalf Of Wade Akle
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:45 AM
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: Practice tools
>>
>> Rick,
>> Who makes the Formosa?
>> Wade
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "rickwallace45" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:31 PM
>> Subject: RE: Practice tools
>>
>>
>> Anthony -
>> I've flown a Shock Flier briefly and it's fun...
>> But (after a dozen or so flights) the Formosa w/ a Eflite 370
> brushless
>> is
>> the closest thing to a foam pattern plane I've seen or flown.
> Certainly
>> no
>> replacement for a Focus or Hyde Away or ..., but way better than a
> shock
>> flier I think.
>>
>> Haven't flown Real Flight G2, but G1 is stretched to allow a pilot to
>> work
>> individual maneuvers - I learned initial slow roll inputs that way -
> but
>> lines (horizontal and vertical) are completely impossible.
>>
>> Come down this weekend and we can play w/ the foamies!
>>
>> -Rick
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of John Pavlick
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:52 PM
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: RE: Practice tools
>>
>> Anthony,
>> I haven't had much luck with any of the sims (although I haven't
tried
>> the
>> Ikarus 3D sim), mostly because it's hard to duplicate pattern flying.
>> What I
>> mean is, the view ports don't really provide any good reference
points
>> for
>> lines, etc. I like to use the Ikarus Shock Flyers for practice. You
> can
>> fly
>> them anywhere (even indoors in the Winter) and they're not too
>> expensive.
>> The $60.00 kit with the can motor is fine if you use small servos and
> a
>> 3S
>> 340 LiPo pack. Keep it light!!! Leave the L.G. off - you won't need
it
>> and
>> it's heavy and breaks easily. Cheaper than the Formosa - save your
> money
>> for
>> fuel!
>>
>> John Pavlick
>> http://www.idseng.com
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:12 PM
>>> To: pattern at rcmailinglists.com; discussion at nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Practice tools
>>>
>>>
>>> Trying to get ready for the move for Master and wondering, what
would
>> be
>>> better? A simulator or a pattern foamie? Thinking Ikarus flight sim
> or
>> an
>>> Axi equipped Formosa.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Anthony
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