Rules Proposals Final Vote

[Ron Van Putte]

On May 13, 2004, at 9:28 AM, Bill Glaze wrote:

>  Just underscores what I've said.  Pattern is run by AMA, period.  
> NSRCA has no visible influence, apparently, or our survey wouldn't 
> have been ignored.
>  Bet the response on another survey would be great!  Why waste the 
> time?  Oh, Well.

All - This scenario sounds pretty gloomy, but I've been around long 
enough to have seen AMA run EVERYTHING.  It wasn't a pretty sight.  The 
NSRCA took over the running of the Nats because AMA was doing such a 
bad job.  That's what N-PAC was all about.  We had to show the AMA that 
we could run our own operation.  They caved and gave us control of the 
Nats.  While I'm not happy with the failure to pass an annex proposal, 
I can feel a bit better knowing that we are so much more well off 
because of the effects of the NSRCA.

Ron Van Putte

> Just to clarify...it's AMA district VP...not NSRCA district VP.  Which 
> I have to admit is awkward...since most of my pattern interaction is 
> with NSCRA district 4...many of whom are NOT in AMA district 3.
>  
> -Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Dean Pappas
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:53 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: *SPAM* [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] RE: Rules Proposals Final Vote
>
>
> Hi Bill,
> The district VP appoints the CB members. Fortunately in my district 
> the CB member is with the program, so I don't have to yell. He's even 
> a fun guy ...
> Dean
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Glaze [mailto:billglaze at triad.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:44 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] RE: Rules Proposals Final Vote
>
>
>  Dean:
>  Out of curiosity..........will hounding our districe VE's do any 
> good?  they have no vote,as far as I know.  All they can do, as I 
> understand it, is to offer their opinions to the CB, same as you and 
> me.  Am Imisisng something here?  Wouldn't be the first time!<G>
>
>  Bill Glaze
>
>
>  Dean Pappas wrote:
>
> So let's publish the voting record in the K-Factor. It's only useful 
> if we all go hound our AMA dstrict VPs as a result.
>  Dean
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Del Rykert [mailto:drykert at localnet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:26 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Rules Proposals Final Vote
>
>
> Ed....
>     Sounds great ... BUT...  
>  We have been down this time a few times before over the years. Just 
> different magnitudes and with internet is more open forum for 
> discussion. Some members have a different agenda and follow what they 
> feel is important.
>       My suggestion is to make those that vote and control the issues 
> that guide this SPORT have their voting record posted on this forum or 
> on the NSRCA web site for us to review and question the motives behind 
> their decisions. Sort of like the ribbing that goes on for sandbaggers 
> to move up. It would either drive the people underground or out of 
> office.  Both might be better than keep repeating history.  This 
> is only MHO as lame as it may be. 
>  
>                        del
>                 NSRCA - 473
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ed Deaver
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Rules Proposals Final Vote
>
>
> Having read all the posting on the list on this subject.  Several 
> things are clear to me and this is simply my take on things.
>  
> 1)  The vote is over.  What's done is done and that's it.
>  
> 2)  Some people are mad some are not(human nature is such that usually 
> only the upset ones voice an opinion ie lobbyiest success in our 
> capital)
>  
> 3)  Their is nothing at this time to be achieved by continuing to 
> persue th negatives.
>  
> 4)  We can however learn from this experience.  More emphasis has to 
> be placed on calling our AMA District Reps.  A formal survey is only a 
> document and can be scewed in any which way, same as a phone poll.  We 
> are again at, the membership must contact the District Reps to give 
> input.
>  
> 5)  As with most activities or memberships, a very few are passionate 
> and highly motivated.
>  
> 6)  Lets do our best to accept these changes, read not agree with or 
> like, but accept and work towards the next rules cycle where someone 
> may add a snap into the new Intermediate schedule and if so wished, 
> add a new rules proposal to add scoring of L/TO.
>  
> Just my opinion.
> ed
>
> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
> What follows is an exchange of e-mails between Lance Van Nostrand, the
>  List, John Fuqua and me. If it comes through as presented, John's
>  comments are in blue.
>
>  Ron Van Putte
>
>  From: johnfuqua at gdsys.net
>  Subject: RE: Rules Proposals Final Vote
>  Date: May 11, 2004 8:50:34 PM CDT
>  To: vanputte at cox.net
>
>  From: Ron Van Putte
>      **  Klipped 4 reposting..  **
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