Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin g)

[Keith Black]

Del, not to debate your point, but as an FYI, radios with digital trims
display a picture in the LCD display that shows you the location of the trim
(basically its a picture that looks like a mechanical trim). Some can also
display a number of exactly how many steps you are from center.

Keith Black

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin
g)


> Hi Ed.
>
> I highly doubt I would notice any improvement or gain. I can't hear the
> beeps everyone else brags about. I want to know I moved a trim & how much
I
> moved it in a given flight then look and see why it was out of trim and by
> how much..   Please explain to me how an electronic trim with no visual
> reference on the TX is going to indicate to me how much things were out of
> trim. Mechanicals have never let me down and like I said. If I have my way
> that is all it will ever be.
>
>           del
>                NSRCA - 473
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed Miller" <edbon85 at optonline.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin
> g)
>
>
> > Del, you are missing a world of precision by not going to a radio with
> > electronic trims.
> > Ed M.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for
somethin
> > g)
> >
> >
> > > Or staying away from electronic trims...
> > >
> > >     All my radios have been mechanical and will stay that way if I
have
> my
> > > way..
> > >
> > >                   del
> > >                NSRCA - 473
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:25 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for
> somethin
> > > g)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Keith,
> > > > Funny you should write that....I had the very same thing happen a
few
> > > months
> > > > ago, but fortunately it was throttle trim.....BEEP beep beep beep
> > beep....
> > > > what the heck? (Futaba 8U) I thought I was losing transmitter
> > > voltage!!!!and
> > > > got it on the ground fast.  After landing I realized the strap snap
> > > > problem....now my preflight includes a quick check of my strap.   A
> > strong
> > > > case for trays:)
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > NSRCS 3601
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Keith Black
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:08 PM
> > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for
> > > > something)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of lessons learned!
> > > >
> > > > Saturday I went flying in a brief window of good weather. I was
> anxious
> > to
> > > > go not only because I'm always anxious to go but I was also anxious
to
> > try
> > > > out my new 10X.
> > > >
> > > > I'd spent a lot of time making 100% sure that everything on the 10X
> > > behaved
> > > > exactly as my old 8103. As the plane reaches lift-off speed I gently
> > > pulled
> > > > back on the elevator and the plane pulled up hard going straight up.
I
> > > > thought to myself "that wasn't very smooth". I apply a slight bit of
> > down
> > > to
> > > > level it out but still it's going straight up, and beginning loop
> > > backwards.
> > > > Now I push a lot of down to keep it from coming over. I'm thinking
"I
> > > can't
> > > > believe I missed the setup that bad, there's no way... fix the trim
> and
> > > see
> > > > what's wrong on the ground". I feed in down trim, barley any effect,
> now
> > I
> > > > feed in a lot of down and finally get it leveled out, then suddenly
> > vroom
> > > > straight up again. I think "OH NO, CHECK THE ANTENNA", but it's up.
> > Shove
> > > in
> > > > down, get it level, hit trims more, plane levels then surges up
again.
> > > Back
> > > > off the throttle, hold down, plane levels but is so slow it's mushy
> and
> > I
> > > > think maybe the ailerons are also gone. Wait, no it's turning now.
> Level
> > > the
> > > > elevator trim again. Then I hear that beep, beep, beep, beeeep of
the
> > > trims
> > > > moving BY THEMSELVES! "Oh NO the radio's flaking out! Did I spill
> water
> > or
> > > > my cleaner on it? It wasn't having any problems before!"  Now the
> plane
> > is
> > > > doing a wild porpoise routine all around. I think to myself that
> there's
> > > no
> > > > way this things getting on the ground without being destroyed. I
call
> > for
> > > > help, no pattern fliers there, mainly newbies, finally one seasoned
> > pilot
> > > > comes to my side. I tell him the radios got problems, the trims are
> > going
> > > > nuts. He encourages me to just get it down the best I can. I make a
> long
> > > > slow porpoising circle to line up for landing. He says, " the
field's
> > wet
> > > > and soft just set it down out there and maybe it won't get damaged
too
> > > bad."
> > > > I pull up the retracts, try to level it out, it's coming at the
runway
> > at
> > > a
> > > > 45 deg angle, I've got to get it down before it gets too close! Kill
> the
> > > > engine, forget the trims now just hold down, it's pretty sensitive,
> just
> > > > easing off the elevator slightly makes it porpoise up again. It's
> level
> > > now,
> > > > gentle, gentle...  I can't believe it, it's on the ground smooth as
> > silk!
> > > >
> > > > Now I look down at the radio and see what the problem is! The ring
> > that's
> > > on
> > > > the end of my neck strap was caught behind the elevator trim. The
> weight
> > > > from the radio on the strap was pulling the trim back to full up
trim!
> > > With
> > > > the trim precision set to 4 steps per click full up trim was a lot
of
> > > trim.
> > > >
> > > > I can't believe how close I was to loosing my plane over something
so
> > > > stupid! I've used that same strap with my 8103 for the last two and
a
> > half
> > > > years and that's never happened, but on the 10X the trims are just
> > enough
> > > > closer and/or higher to allow the ring on the end to get wedged
> between
> > > the
> > > > trim and strap connector.
> > > >
> > > > I should point out that I was not using the strap that comes with
the
> > 10X,
> > > > the one I was using is more comfortable, but from now on I'll opt
for
> > > > control over comfort. :-D
> > > >
> > > > Keith Black
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "D Suding" <junk at velocitus.net>
> > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:11 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Dennis Suding, are you looking for something?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Okay, I left my wings to my Temptation at the field one night last
> > week.
> > > > > My wife is 9 months pregnant and my mind isn't with my wings.
> > Thankfully
> > > > > Tony Quist recognized them and took them to the nearest hobby shop
> > > > > (Franks)
> > > > >
> > > > > Let this be a lesson, kids: Don't forget your wings!  It's hard to
> fly
> > > > > without them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again Tony!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > -D
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dennis email me privately.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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