Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin g)

[Del K. Rykert]

Hi Ed.

I highly doubt I would notice any improvement or gain. I can't hear the
beeps everyone else brags about. I want to know I moved a trim & how much I
moved it in a given flight then look and see why it was out of trim and by
how much..   Please explain to me how an electronic trim with no visual
reference on the TX is going to indicate to me how much things were out of
trim. Mechanicals have never let me down and like I said. If I have my way
that is all it will ever be.

          del
               NSRCA - 473
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Miller" <edbon85 at optonline.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin
g)


> Del, you are missing a world of precision by not going to a radio with
> electronic trims.
> Ed M.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin
> g)
>
>
> > Or staying away from electronic trims...
> >
> >     All my radios have been mechanical and will stay that way if I have
my
> > way..
> >
> >                   del
> >                NSRCA - 473
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:25 PM
> > Subject: RE: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for
somethin
> > g)
> >
> >
> > > Hi Keith,
> > > Funny you should write that....I had the very same thing happen a few
> > months
> > > ago, but fortunately it was throttle trim.....BEEP beep beep beep
> beep....
> > > what the heck? (Futaba 8U) I thought I was losing transmitter
> > voltage!!!!and
> > > got it on the ground fast.  After landing I realized the strap snap
> > > problem....now my preflight includes a quick check of my strap.   A
> strong
> > > case for trays:)
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > NSRCS 3601
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Keith Black
> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:08 PM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for
> > > something)
> > >
> > >
> > > Speaking of lessons learned!
> > >
> > > Saturday I went flying in a brief window of good weather. I was
anxious
> to
> > > go not only because I'm always anxious to go but I was also anxious to
> try
> > > out my new 10X.
> > >
> > > I'd spent a lot of time making 100% sure that everything on the 10X
> > behaved
> > > exactly as my old 8103. As the plane reaches lift-off speed I gently
> > pulled
> > > back on the elevator and the plane pulled up hard going straight up. I
> > > thought to myself "that wasn't very smooth". I apply a slight bit of
> down
> > to
> > > level it out but still it's going straight up, and beginning loop
> > backwards.
> > > Now I push a lot of down to keep it from coming over. I'm thinking "I
> > can't
> > > believe I missed the setup that bad, there's no way... fix the trim
and
> > see
> > > what's wrong on the ground". I feed in down trim, barley any effect,
now
> I
> > > feed in a lot of down and finally get it leveled out, then suddenly
> vroom
> > > straight up again. I think "OH NO, CHECK THE ANTENNA", but it's up.
> Shove
> > in
> > > down, get it level, hit trims more, plane levels then surges up again.
> > Back
> > > off the throttle, hold down, plane levels but is so slow it's mushy
and
> I
> > > think maybe the ailerons are also gone. Wait, no it's turning now.
Level
> > the
> > > elevator trim again. Then I hear that beep, beep, beep, beeeep of the
> > trims
> > > moving BY THEMSELVES! "Oh NO the radio's flaking out! Did I spill
water
> or
> > > my cleaner on it? It wasn't having any problems before!"  Now the
plane
> is
> > > doing a wild porpoise routine all around. I think to myself that
there's
> > no
> > > way this things getting on the ground without being destroyed. I call
> for
> > > help, no pattern fliers there, mainly newbies, finally one seasoned
> pilot
> > > comes to my side. I tell him the radios got problems, the trims are
> going
> > > nuts. He encourages me to just get it down the best I can. I make a
long
> > > slow porpoising circle to line up for landing. He says, " the field's
> wet
> > > and soft just set it down out there and maybe it won't get damaged too
> > bad."
> > > I pull up the retracts, try to level it out, it's coming at the runway
> at
> > a
> > > 45 deg angle, I've got to get it down before it gets too close! Kill
the
> > > engine, forget the trims now just hold down, it's pretty sensitive,
just
> > > easing off the elevator slightly makes it porpoise up again. It's
level
> > now,
> > > gentle, gentle...  I can't believe it, it's on the ground smooth as
> silk!
> > >
> > > Now I look down at the radio and see what the problem is! The ring
> that's
> > on
> > > the end of my neck strap was caught behind the elevator trim. The
weight
> > > from the radio on the strap was pulling the trim back to full up trim!
> > With
> > > the trim precision set to 4 steps per click full up trim was a lot of
> > trim.
> > >
> > > I can't believe how close I was to loosing my plane over something so
> > > stupid! I've used that same strap with my 8103 for the last two and a
> half
> > > years and that's never happened, but on the 10X the trims are just
> enough
> > > closer and/or higher to allow the ring on the end to get wedged
between
> > the
> > > trim and strap connector.
> > >
> > > I should point out that I was not using the strap that comes with the
> 10X,
> > > the one I was using is more comfortable, but from now on I'll opt for
> > > control over comfort. :-D
> > >
> > > Keith Black
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "D Suding" <junk at velocitus.net>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Dennis Suding, are you looking for something?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Okay, I left my wings to my Temptation at the field one night last
> week.
> > > > My wife is 9 months pregnant and my mind isn't with my wings.
> Thankfully
> > > > Tony Quist recognized them and took them to the nearest hobby shop
> > > > (Franks)
> > > >
> > > > Let this be a lesson, kids: Don't forget your wings!  It's hard to
fly
> > > > without them.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again Tony!!!
> > > >
> > > > -D
> > > >
> > > > > Dennis email me privately.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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