Snap rolls

[Rcmaster199 at aol.com]

Interesting regarding snap speed Ron. I believe a Pattern model snap can be  
slowed down and can be easier to judge that way. I slowed my 1 1/2 snaps of 
the  last masters Ava down so I know it can be done. At the same time, I was 
rewarded  by some and zeroed by another at the Nats. Why? not violent enough 
(verbatim one  judge's opinion). 
 
Making up rules as we go isn't a good thing. Be that as it may, Judging as  a 
craft has come a long way and is better than it ever has been. But still some 
 way to go. I am not concerned though; I think we are headed in the right  
direction.
 
I also don't want these maneuver types removed from AMA Pattern schedules.  
And let's definitely put them in more visible locations. How about a center  
Snapping Square or Fig M or N? Or Humpty? The 45 dowline snap in the old masters 
 was a good one too. How about a center Two Snaps in a 45 upline?  But I am  
reluctant to reduce Kfactor tho. 
 
MattK
 
In a message dated 12/30/2004 12:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
ronlock at comcast.net writes:

Agreed.
 
When our pattern judging hats are on, it's not our task to figure  out if the 
model design is such that it doesn't show a break, or  isn't set up to show a 
break, or isn't flown with technique to show a  break.   
 
We judge maneuver elements as best we can without making allowances  for 
model limitations that might be perceived or claimed.
 
Judging snaps is tough, in part because it happens so  fast.   I recall 
seeing a dozen snaps by full scale AT-6 Texans -  the snaps were slow and most 
pattern judges would be able to judge them  accurately and consistently.
 
Given the speed of a model snap, getting accurate and consistent  judging 
remains a big challenge.  Lets continue looking for improvements  in judge 
training, lets design schedules with fewer snaps, lets put  the snaps in visible 
locations.
 
I don't want to see snaps removed from AMA, if they stay in F3A.   Masters 
class-   is, can, and should be, a step on the way to  F3A for those moving on.
 
A thought for discussion- might we put a lower K-Factor on maneuvers with  
snaps in AMA schedules?   They remain for pilot challenge and  judge training, 
but the impact of imperfect judging is reduced.
 
Later, Ron Lockhart
 

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Wait a minute, we are not talking about flying Pattern with Decathlons  and 
Cubs. Pattern models are supposed to be "thoroughbred"  designs. We have very 
few limits as to what we actually design in. On  the other hand, Scale models 
don't have that "free to design as  you please" luxury. 
 
Pattern planes have no excuses. I see no reason the desired features  can't 
be designed in to facilitate desired outcome.
 
MattK
 
In a message dated 12/29/2004 5:10:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
d.pappas at kodeos.com writes:

Thanks Doug.
And yet we know that the full scale  guys' snaps happen in geologic time, 
compared to us!
Imagine the plight of diving  judges.
Maybe the solution is to "wimp-out"  the snap description, and allow anything 
that looks like a train wreck ...  NAAAAAH!






 
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