FW: Motion to adopt.

[vicenterc at comcast.net]

Hi Tony:

The problem is that the judges that have the opportunity to participate in 5 judges event is very low.  Are you sure that the data even with two judges is not significant?  I will agree that with the 5 judges the data will be more significant using using two contest only.  With two judges doing all country with several contest per judge will become significant data also.  At least will be more significant than the method is used now.  The results from the previous years Nats. should be also used since this is three judge event.  In this way, NSRCA will give more opportunity to all certified judges and the process will be transparent and clear to all.  There are other benefits, yes we love competition and this will be a competition to become better judges.  The end results is that NSRCA will help improve not only the pilots skills but also the judging skills which is very important part of our sport.  

Best regards,

Vince Bortone

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Chris/Vince:

The judging program that the Team created does just that!  You can see the standings on the NSRCA website.  The standings are created from the data of contests where we use a minimum of 5 judges per flight.  This is only done (to my knowledge) at the US Nats FINALS, and the Team Selection Contest.  The requirement of 5 judges in essential to get valid statistics.    

Tony Stillman
Radio South
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From: Chris Larson 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: RE: FW: Motion to adopt.


I agree Vince.

HUGE undertaking, but the results would be fantastic.  Imagine the ability to compare yourself to all judges across the country.  Now that's motivation to better yourself at your craft.

Hmmm..... At the same time, how about a national PILOT ranking system, similar to the one used in the USTA  ( Tennis ).  I believe they know their rank in their given class on a national basis.  Might be kind of fun, and good for us guys who can't travel to the Nats!  We could still be "competing" with guys from the other districts! 

Publish the top judges and the top competitors in each class in the K-Factor.

Chris Larson
L & D Sales
209-274-2176 Office / Fax
209-304-0865 Cellular 
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Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:49 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org; NSRCA List
Cc: Derek Koopowitz
Subject: Re: FW: Motion to adopt.


I am firm believer of statistics. I have not chance to read the program proposed but I am sure that should be based on statistical formulation.  In statistics, more data is compiled more valid will be the results and conclusions obtained from that analysis.  I am not am expert but I would like to see in the future a process of judge selection that is based on all information compiled in ALL contests around the nation.  Yes, I am proposing that all data be compiled and used to determine the best judges.  I don't think that this is very difficult task since the data is already available in electronic format.  We will need to make sure that the CD sends the information to the NSRCA.  I know that there will be many happy faces if some of the new candidates support this effort. 
 Mortal guys like me will say that this is impossible.  However, this is very easy task to someone expert in databases and computer programming.  We just need to make sure that all scoring programs produce the data in the format required.  That program will use the judge NSRCA number to send the information to be processed at the end of the year or season.  
The results of a process like this will be of immense value.  First, we will know how we are doing compared with others as judges in the nation.  Second, we will have the opportunity to try to improve each year base on the feedback.  In the nats., we will have more flexibility in selecting judges for different classes and team selection.
Sincerely,
Vince Bortone




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> Just goes to show how some people have selected memory loss with regard to 
> the judge evaluation program... Please read the quoted lines that RVP quoted 
> below - Eric H. is VERY familiar with the judge selection process and was 
> instrumental in getting it through the board of directors on 12/10/2002. 
> 
> Why is he questioning it now when he proposed its vote? Oh I get it... It's 
> election time! 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ron Van Putte [mailto:vanputte at nuc.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:41 AM 
> To: officers at nsrca.org 
> Cc: Tony Stillman 
> Subject: Re: Motion to adopt. 
> 
> [NSRCA Officers] 
> I second the motion. 
> 
> As I explained at the Nats board meeting, Tony Stillman, Matt Kebabjian, Don 
> Ramsey and I have hammered out the skeleton of the judge evaluation prog 
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