World Judge selection process

[tony at radiosouthrc.com]

Matt:

The other issue with this is that I established a system back in my first term to use the judging evaluation system that Ron Chidgey had put forth in FAI international events.  Prior to this, there was only the " it felt right" way of picking a judge for a world champs.  Earl Haury was selected as a judge in the 1999 world champs using this system.  However, we knew it needed improvement.

Back in 1993, Ron Van Putte was "magically" put on this list, and was informed by then-AMA President Don Lowe that he had been chosen for this duty.  Ron even asked Don about how he got on the "list", but I don't think he ever really got an answer.  From that point on, I was interested in how this was done.  Eric asked me to be the FAI liaison for him while he was in office, and a system to pick a judge was discussed.  It took several years for a team to come together that had experience with statistics and spread sheets to make it happen.  Reports were made to the NSRCA board over the last 4 years as to the progress.  Finally, a working system was put together, and brought to the NSRCA board this past summer and approved.     





Tony Stillman
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  Eric, your notes below surprise me. I am disappointed you feel this way in regard to the system we came up with. Have you truly analysed the data base and the program we designed?? 

  MattK

  In a message dated 12/13/2004 2:41:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net writes:
    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
    > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
    > On
    > Behalf Of Grow Pattern
    > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:31 AM
    > To: discussion at nsrca.org
    > Subject: World Judge selection process
    >
    > Charlie,
    >              I had and have absolutely NOTHING to do with this judging 
    > evaluation system. You were probably misinformed so please allow me to 
    > correct/update the information.
    >
    > FYI - I nominated Bob Noll to the AMA when Dave Brown asked the NSRCA 
    > for its recommendation. It felt like a good choice. I selected him and 
    > two others after asking for nominations from the NSRCA District-VP's 
    > and the rest of the NSRCA board. He was chosen for his work as a 
    > judge, the work done running many judging schools, great services to 
    > the NSRCA and especially the AMA after running three USA Nationals etc.
    >
    > At the time I was overruled by Dave Brown who chose Mike Dumpy, (for 
    > similar reasons). Subsequently, Dave chose Bob after Mike had 
    > represented the USA on two occasions. (Very well I might add).
    >
    > The ranking system was put together by RVP and associates to prove to 
    > Dave who he should submit to the FAI for WC judge consideration. I am 
    > guessing that lobbying took place to remove Bob Noll and insert the 
    > top TBL rated USA judge.
    >
    > I have several issues with the TBL type of judges ranking.
    >
    > 1. The biggest is that it is too easy for a judge to do well by 
    > scoring in

    > a
    > popular way or an "average" way. The guy who knows enough about 
    > judging to give the correct low score will often be on the "out".
    >
    > 2. Also they included judging performances from Master's Nat's. There 
    > is big difference scoring FAI and Masters. Not least of which is the 
    > 1/2 point vs.
    > the whole point system.
    >
    > 3. They used the performance in 8 contests (As far as I know). Scoring 
    > rules and maneuver standards change. To get eight Nationals/team 
    > trials you have to go back a few years. I have always believed that 
    > only the last few years of FAI judging should be used because they are 
    > the most relevant to performance.
    >
    > 4. It does not take into account the intangibles such as, 
    > Statesmanship, ambassadorial qualities and contribution that will be 
    > needed in a WC environment.
    >
    > One further point. I also think that Don Ramsey is a great guy and 
    > should not get any flack for being selected. He was the guy I went to 
    > and asked to form the current rules/judging committee. He has helped 
    > clarify many rules for us and dealt with many tough issues in a calm 
    > and professional manner.
    >
    > I have always been an opponent of the ranking system. The problem is 
    > that when you speak out against something that people are "married" 
    > to, especially when they are the creators of the system, you will, and 
    > I have, draw a lot of abuse. I fully expect my note to be cropped, 
    > chopped, torn apart, dissected and corrected. I might even get another 
    > "Bull in a china shop" comment reward. Of course I might just look 
    > like that to some, especially when I am in their face and won't back 
    > down when I see something going on that I believe is wrong!
    >
    > I credit you for speaking out Charlie, but I just had to set the 
    > record straight when you used my name.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Eric Henderson.
    >
    >
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    > From: "Rock, Charles" <crock at kclife.com>
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    > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:10 AM
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    >
    >> Well here is another example of the results of the fox designing the 
    >> chicken coop! Don Ramsey knew exactly what he had to do to become the 
    >> top ranked judge as did Ron V., Derek K., and Eric H., need I tell 
    >> you who all were involved making the judges ranking system?? THIS 
    >> PISSES ME OFF...The "Haves" get all the beanies, and we pay their way 
    >> too, most likely..Another NSRCA moment!! Charlie
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