World Judge selection process

[Rcmaster199 at aol.com]

Eric, your notes below surprise me. I am disappointed you feel this way in  
regard to the system we came up with. Have you truly analysed the data base and 
 the program we designed?? 
 
MattK
 
In a message dated 12/13/2004 2:41:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net writes:

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> On
> Behalf Of Grow  Pattern
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:31 AM
> To:  discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: World Judge selection  process
>
> Charlie,
>           I had and have absolutely NOTHING to do with this judging  
> evaluation system. You were probably misinformed so please allow me  to 
> correct/update the information.
>
> FYI - I nominated  Bob Noll to the AMA when Dave Brown asked the NSRCA 
> for its  recommendation. It felt like a good choice. I selected him and 
> two  others after asking for nominations from the NSRCA District-VP's 
> and  the rest of the NSRCA board. He was chosen for his work as a 
> judge,  the work done running many judging schools, great services to 
> the  NSRCA and especially the AMA after running three USA Nationals  etc.
>
> At the time I was overruled by Dave Brown who chose Mike  Dumpy, (for 
> similar reasons). Subsequently, Dave chose Bob after Mike  had 
> represented the USA on two occasions. (Very well I might  add).
>
> The ranking system was put together by RVP and  associates to prove to 
> Dave who he should submit to the FAI for WC  judge consideration. I am 
> guessing that lobbying took place to remove  Bob Noll and insert the 
> top TBL rated USA judge.
>
> I  have several issues with the TBL type of judges ranking.
>
> 1.  The biggest is that it is too easy for a judge to do well by 
> scoring  in

> a
> popular way or an "average" way. The guy who knows  enough about 
> judging to give the correct low score will often be on  the "out".
>
> 2. Also they included judging performances from  Master's Nat's. There 
> is big difference scoring FAI and Masters. Not  least of which is the 
> 1/2 point vs.
> the whole point  system.
>
> 3. They used the performance in 8 contests (As far as  I know). Scoring 
> rules and maneuver standards change. To get eight  Nationals/team 
> trials you have to go back a few years. I have always  believed that 
> only the last few years of FAI judging should be used  because they are 
> the most relevant to performance.
>
> 4.  It does not take into account the intangibles such as, 
> Statesmanship,  ambassadorial qualities and contribution that will be 
> needed in a WC  environment.
>
> One further point. I also think that Don Ramsey  is a great guy and 
> should not get any flack for being selected. He  was the guy I went to 
> and asked to form the current rules/judging  committee. He has helped 
> clarify many rules for us and dealt with  many tough issues in a calm 
> and professional manner.
>
>  I have always been an opponent of the ranking system. The problem is 
>  that when you speak out against something that people are "married" 
>  to, especially when they are the creators of the system, you will, and  
> I have, draw a lot of abuse. I fully expect my note to be cropped,  
> chopped, torn apart, dissected and corrected. I might even get  another 
> "Bull in a china shop" comment reward. Of course I might just  look 
> like that to some, especially when I am in their face and won't  back 
> down when I see something going on that I believe is  wrong!
>
> I credit you for speaking out Charlie, but I just had  to set the 
> record straight when you used my name.
>
>  Regards,
>
> Eric Henderson.
>
>
> -----  Original Message -----
> From: "Rock, Charles"  <crock at kclife.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>  Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:10 AM
> Subject: RE: [SUSPECT-HEADER]  - Re: Adjustable stab weight - Character 
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>
>> Well here is another example of the results  of the fox designing the 
>> chicken coop! Don Ramsey knew exactly  what he had to do to become the 
>> top ranked judge as did Ron V.,  Derek K., and Eric H., need I tell 
>> you who all were involved  making the judges ranking system?? THIS 
>> PISSES ME OFF...The  "Haves" get all the beanies, and we pay their way 
>> too, most  likely..Another NSRCA moment!! Charlie


 
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