A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

Mon Apr 19 13:50:22 AKDT 2004

I know I'm way-late on this thread however, the use of a scribe does not in
itself guarantee better judging.  Just this weekend, we/I witnessed judges
using scribes for Masters & FAI, looking "down" to tell the scribe what the
score is..... it was kind of funny to watch.  In fact, given that they were
looking down before the use of a scribe, the addition of a scribe only
increase the chances of errors, as they (still looking down), had to
transfer information to another person.
Jim W.

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Ed Miller
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:43 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

Well, you are in charge of judging at the BDS contest so go for it.
Personally, since we have so few spectators at a contest I don't see who it
is benefiting. IMHO seems like we've found a lot of answers for an
unnecessary question. If all this would lead to eliminating the scribe,
helping judges judge better and helping the CD the day of the event I'd be
all for it. The hand signals to the scribe and the judge placing the scores
on a separate sheet to then be transferred to the official score sheet to me
is a classic example of complicating a simple task. The only way to
eliminate scribes is for every judge to know by heart every sequence of
every class by heart, not realistic. Short of an electronic scoring device,
I don't see anything here that is simple enough to have repeatable, 100%
correct results. We ought to focus our energy on preparing better judges and
simplifying and clarifying maneuver descriptions so there is no room for
interpretation.
Ed M.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

>
> I like the idea. Scribe reads maneuver, judge writes score, scribe flash
> score to the attendees and reads next maneuver. Could help improve judging
> and make contest more interesting. When my parents came to a contest they
> were bored silly untill I gave them play by play of a few flights.
> Anyone willing to try it?
>
> Anthony
>
> >From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
> >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >  The way I  propose the hand signals to work  is like this:
> >  Right hand signifys 6 to 10 the thumb and index finger would be a 7.
For
> >half numbers you simply move the fingers to your palm and extend them
> >several times. A whole number stays put and extended. Numbers under a 5
are
> >on the left hand. I really think that the simplier we keep it the better
it
> >could succeed.
> >  Again I'd like to know if someone would like to trial this system at a
> >contest. If only for a couple of rounds with willing participants. I
think
> >it's worth a try. I don't think there's anything in the rules that would
> >prevent this. Thanks, Mike
> >
> >Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at comcast.net> wrote:
> >for me, I totally agree with these guys.  RVP was the first to suggest
this
> >that I heard at the nats a few years ago and I started doing it this way
> >and knew it was the way to go.  I write the scores on the pad in a column
> >without taking my eyes off the plane.
> >   Maybe the easiest, low tech way to announce the scores is to have the
> >scribe be the "publisher" for the manuver scores during the flight, and
> >then copys the scores to the official sheet in between rounds.
> >    As a technology guy (s/w engineer) I'd love to see electronic
> >scoreboards and PDA systems, but for over 100 years simple hand signals
> >have served the arbitragers in the stock market.  A simple adaptation of
> >this system would be:
> >1. Show the main score with your fingers, top of the hand facing the
> >audience
> >2. If a hand is turned so that a palm is facing the audience, then add
1/2
> >point
> >
> >Even if there are a few mistakes along the way with the palms, the
audience
> >will be informed to within a 1/2 point.
> >
> >--Lance
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Ron Van Putte
> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM
> >Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
> >
> >
> >
> >On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:
> >
> >The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to
write
> >down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I don't
> >overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not perfect
for
> >me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores
> >flow. When I have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks
down
> >no matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging FAI.
> >     Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.
> >
> >I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe. After
> >the last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the scoresheet.
I
> >am usually done before the airplane is on final landing approach.
> >
> >Ron Van Putte
> >
> >
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