Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:

[george kennie]

Hi Del,
I got the info from Ron Lockhart, thanks.  The rep is Scotty Melville and the
address is GoMelvil at aol.com.
Georgie

Del Rykert wrote:

> Georgie..  I don't,.. But there is a name and face I haven't seen in quite
> awhile. I remember when we were both competing with EU-1A's.  Brings back
> some memories.
>
>         Del
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
>
> | Hey Guys,
> | Anybody out there in District 1 have an e-mail address for Scotty
> Melville?????
> | Georgie
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | Tony Stillman wrote:
> |
> | > George:
> | >
> | > Hey, don't be shy about stating you point of view!  Many times, I find
> | > myself re-thinking things based on this very thing.
> | >
> | > However, in this instance, the issue is that we have to voice our
> opinions
> | > to the people that vote (the contest board).  Each of use have a board
> | > member that we can contact in our AMA district.  Each of use need to do
> just
> | > that and let them know how we want them to vote on each proposal!  This
> is
> | > crucial!  Many times these board members are left with NO input from
> their
> | > constituents at all!  We don't want that!
> | >
> | > Tony Stillman
> | > Radio South
> | > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> | > Pensacola, FL 32505
> | > 1-800-962-7802
> | > www.radiosouthrc.com
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> | > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> | > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:33 AM
> | > Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
> | >
> | > > Thanks Tony,
> | > > Your instructions will be carried out!
> | > > I realize that I, all too often, come across way too strongly, and
> while
> | > it's
> | > > not my intent to ruffle too many feathers too dramatically, I just
> happen
> | > to be
> | > > possessed with the type of personality that gets a little too
> passionate
> | > > regarding areas, perceived by me, to be unjust. For my ranting I
> | > apologize.
> | > > While I feel that your instructions are probably the best tack, I
> couldn't
> | > help
> | > > feel that some of these points needed to be aired so I gave voice to
> my
> | > > concerns.I will indeed abide by your directive and thank you for it.
> | > > Respectfully,
> | > > Georgie
> | > >
> | > > Tony Stillman wrote:
> | > >
> | > > > George:
> | > > >
> | > > > You points are well taken.  The main reason for me bringing any of
> this
> | > up
> | > > > is to be our NSRCA membership to contact their Contest Board member
> and
> | > tell
> | > > > them how YOU want THEM to vote!
> | > > >
> | > > > They don't read this BB, so they don't know how any of us feel about
> any
> | > of
> | > > > these rules proposals UNLESS YOU TELL THEM!!!!
> | > > >
> | > > > AM I MAKING MY POINT!!!
> | > > >
> | > > > GO CALL THEM, OR BE WILLING TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER OUTCOME OF THE
> | > VOTE....
> | > > >
> | > > > Tony Stillman
> | > > > Radio South
> | > > > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> | > > > Pensacola, FL 32505
> | > > > 1-800-962-7802
> | > > > www.radiosouthrc.com
> | > > > ----- Original Message -----
> | > > > From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> | > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> | > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:15 PM
> | > > > Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
> | > > >
> | > > > > The evidence is before you, people!!!!!
> | > > > > Here is another blatant example of the upper class flyers forcing
> | > their
> | > > > agenda upon the lower class flyers, irrespective of the desires of
> the
> | > > > masses. Whoever said that we abide by democratic processes might
> have
> | > been
> | > > > experiencing a bad hair day!?
> | > > > > Between the two referenced maneuvers, there are no less than 17
> | > elemental
> | > > > judging criteria by which a judge can arrive at a considered award.
> | > Think
> | > > > about it guys! Seventeen different downgrades! To someone, way back
> | > when,
> | > > > these maneuvers represented enough merit for that person to spend
> | > > > significant
> | > > > > contemplation to establish a set of guidelines so that a judge
> could
> | > then
> | > > > sit in the chair with a set of effective tools by which a fair award
> | > could
> | > > > be made.It's pretty obvious, to me, that these maneuvers were
> considered
> | > > > important to the person who drew up the rules, and to throw them all
> | > away
> | > > > would represent
> | > > > > an act of disrespect to that individual(s).In my opinion, whoever
> | > > > assembled the compendium we have been fortunate to inherit thru the
> | > > > directive we affectionately call the "rule book", represents a
> | > deliberate
> | > > > thinker of magnanamous proportions, and for us to second guess this
> | > genius
> | > > > would truly be folly.
> | > > > >    If there are truly problems with the scoring of these two
> | > maneuvers,
> | > > > then, I feel, there has been a failure in our certification program.
> We,
> | > in
> | > > > all probability, need to emphasize certain elements of instruction
> | > regarding
> | > > > these maneuvers.The problem areas need to be fixed. Don't throw the
> baby
> | > out
> | > > > with the
> | > > > > bath water!
> | > > > >    In my local area I have heard the statement, "Pattern pilots
> can
> | > fly
> | > > > well, but they can't land." I have no idea how we came to deserve
> this
> | > > > reputation among the sport pilots.I fear that if we remove the
> | > referenced
> | > > > maneuvers from the sequences, we will be lending support to their
> claim,
> | > > > encouraging them to
> | > > > > believe that we agree with them.
> | > > > > As regards centering and whether the runway is lined or not, the
> issue
> | > of
> | > > > judging the size of the landing zone is no more valid than judging
> the
> | > > > length of the 15 meter entry and exit line before and after a
> maneuver.
> | > I
> | > > > have yet to attend a contest where they had lined the sky for the
> event,
> | > and
> | > > > yet I was
> | > > > > entrusted with the ability to assess whether each said line was
> indeed
> | > of
> | > > > the correct length(further, there were no protests).If I judge the
> | > landing
> | > > > zone long or short, maybe the judge next to me judges in the
> opposing
> | > > > direction cancelling me out.Hey!, we're talking about a K-1 maneuver
> | > here.
> | > > > How many points
> | > > > > can I be penalized? Out of a total score of how many hundred
> | > points????
> | > > > > Another point I would like to address regarding " goes to
> | > presentation".
> | > > > Watch the really good guys in FAI perform these maneuvers. They do
> them
> | > like
> | > > > proffessionals!!! Smooth and graceful. Says to the Judge, " I'm
> worth
> | > > > watching closely, you're going to see good stuff from me."
> | > > > >   Let's not forget the lower class guys as this is an area we
> worked
> | > hard
> | > > > to master and we deserve our just desserts
> | > > > > Georgie
> | > > > >
> | > > > > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
> | > > > >
> | > > > > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted
> on
> | > > > landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Question-10
> | > > > > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> | > > > > > YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO
> CHANGE____
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Question-16
> | > > > > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> | > > > > > YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Question-19
> | > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> | > > > > > YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Question-24
> | > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> | > > > > > YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
> The
> | > vote
> | > > > weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both
> to be
> | > > > scored.
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these
> two
> | > > > maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill
> etc.
> | > I
> | > > > think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and
> on
> | > > > cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't
> get
> | > all
> | > > > religious on me.
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Regards,
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Eric.
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> | > > > > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
> | > > > >
> | > > > > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted
> on
> | > > > landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Question-10
> | > > > > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> | > > > > > YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO
> CHANGE____
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Question-16
> | > > > > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> | > > > > > YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Question-19
> | > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> | > > > > > YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Question-24
> | > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> | > > > > > YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
> The
> | > vote
> | > > > weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both
> to be
> | > > > scored.
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these
> two
> | > > > maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill
> etc.
> | > I
> | > > > think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and
> on
> | > > > cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't
> get
> | > all
> | > > > religious on me.
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Regards,
> | > > > > >
> | > > > > > Eric.
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