Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
Del Rykert
drykert at rochester.rr.com
Thu Nov 20 19:38:07 AKST 2003
Georgie.. I don't,.. But there is a name and face I haven't seen in quite
awhile. I remember when we were both competing with EU-1A's. Brings back
some memories.
Del
----- Original Message -----
From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
| Hey Guys,
| Anybody out there in District 1 have an e-mail address for Scotty
Melville?????
| Georgie
|
|
|
|
| Tony Stillman wrote:
|
| > George:
| >
| > Hey, don't be shy about stating you point of view! Many times, I find
| > myself re-thinking things based on this very thing.
| >
| > However, in this instance, the issue is that we have to voice our
opinions
| > to the people that vote (the contest board). Each of use have a board
| > member that we can contact in our AMA district. Each of use need to do
just
| > that and let them know how we want them to vote on each proposal! This
is
| > crucial! Many times these board members are left with NO input from
their
| > constituents at all! We don't want that!
| >
| > Tony Stillman
| > Radio South
| > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
| > Pensacola, FL 32505
| > 1-800-962-7802
| > www.radiosouthrc.com
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
| > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
| > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:33 AM
| > Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
| >
| > > Thanks Tony,
| > > Your instructions will be carried out!
| > > I realize that I, all too often, come across way too strongly, and
while
| > it's
| > > not my intent to ruffle too many feathers too dramatically, I just
happen
| > to be
| > > possessed with the type of personality that gets a little too
passionate
| > > regarding areas, perceived by me, to be unjust. For my ranting I
| > apologize.
| > > While I feel that your instructions are probably the best tack, I
couldn't
| > help
| > > feel that some of these points needed to be aired so I gave voice to
my
| > > concerns.I will indeed abide by your directive and thank you for it.
| > > Respectfully,
| > > Georgie
| > >
| > > Tony Stillman wrote:
| > >
| > > > George:
| > > >
| > > > You points are well taken. The main reason for me bringing any of
this
| > up
| > > > is to be our NSRCA membership to contact their Contest Board member
and
| > tell
| > > > them how YOU want THEM to vote!
| > > >
| > > > They don't read this BB, so they don't know how any of us feel about
any
| > of
| > > > these rules proposals UNLESS YOU TELL THEM!!!!
| > > >
| > > > AM I MAKING MY POINT!!!
| > > >
| > > > GO CALL THEM, OR BE WILLING TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER OUTCOME OF THE
| > VOTE....
| > > >
| > > > Tony Stillman
| > > > Radio South
| > > > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
| > > > Pensacola, FL 32505
| > > > 1-800-962-7802
| > > > www.radiosouthrc.com
| > > > ----- Original Message -----
| > > > From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
| > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
| > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:15 PM
| > > > Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
| > > >
| > > > > The evidence is before you, people!!!!!
| > > > > Here is another blatant example of the upper class flyers forcing
| > their
| > > > agenda upon the lower class flyers, irrespective of the desires of
the
| > > > masses. Whoever said that we abide by democratic processes might
have
| > been
| > > > experiencing a bad hair day!?
| > > > > Between the two referenced maneuvers, there are no less than 17
| > elemental
| > > > judging criteria by which a judge can arrive at a considered award.
| > Think
| > > > about it guys! Seventeen different downgrades! To someone, way back
| > when,
| > > > these maneuvers represented enough merit for that person to spend
| > > > significant
| > > > > contemplation to establish a set of guidelines so that a judge
could
| > then
| > > > sit in the chair with a set of effective tools by which a fair award
| > could
| > > > be made.It's pretty obvious, to me, that these maneuvers were
considered
| > > > important to the person who drew up the rules, and to throw them all
| > away
| > > > would represent
| > > > > an act of disrespect to that individual(s).In my opinion, whoever
| > > > assembled the compendium we have been fortunate to inherit thru the
| > > > directive we affectionately call the "rule book", represents a
| > deliberate
| > > > thinker of magnanamous proportions, and for us to second guess this
| > genius
| > > > would truly be folly.
| > > > > If there are truly problems with the scoring of these two
| > maneuvers,
| > > > then, I feel, there has been a failure in our certification program.
We,
| > in
| > > > all probability, need to emphasize certain elements of instruction
| > regarding
| > > > these maneuvers.The problem areas need to be fixed. Don't throw the
baby
| > out
| > > > with the
| > > > > bath water!
| > > > > In my local area I have heard the statement, "Pattern pilots
can
| > fly
| > > > well, but they can't land." I have no idea how we came to deserve
this
| > > > reputation among the sport pilots.I fear that if we remove the
| > referenced
| > > > maneuvers from the sequences, we will be lending support to their
claim,
| > > > encouraging them to
| > > > > believe that we agree with them.
| > > > > As regards centering and whether the runway is lined or not, the
issue
| > of
| > > > judging the size of the landing zone is no more valid than judging
the
| > > > length of the 15 meter entry and exit line before and after a
maneuver.
| > I
| > > > have yet to attend a contest where they had lined the sky for the
event,
| > and
| > > > yet I was
| > > > > entrusted with the ability to assess whether each said line was
indeed
| > of
| > > > the correct length(further, there were no protests).If I judge the
| > landing
| > > > zone long or short, maybe the judge next to me judges in the
opposing
| > > > direction cancelling me out.Hey!, we're talking about a K-1 maneuver
| > here.
| > > > How many points
| > > > > can I be penalized? Out of a total score of how many hundred
| > points????
| > > > > Another point I would like to address regarding " goes to
| > presentation".
| > > > Watch the really good guys in FAI perform these maneuvers. They do
them
| > like
| > > > proffessionals!!! Smooth and graceful. Says to the Judge, " I'm
worth
| > > > watching closely, you're going to see good stuff from me."
| > > > > Let's not forget the lower class guys as this is an area we
worked
| > hard
| > > > to master and we deserve our just desserts
| > > > > Georgie
| > > > >
| > > > > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
| > > > >
| > > > > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted
on
| > > > landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Question-10
| > > > > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
| > > > > > YES = 152____ NO = 26_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Question-16
| > > > > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
| > > > > > YES = 156____ NO = 25_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Question-19
| > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
| > > > > > YES = 135____ NO = 39_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Question-24
| > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
| > > > > > YES = 106____ NO = 60_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
| > > > > >
| > > > > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
The
| > vote
| > > > weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both
to be
| > > > scored.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these
two
| > > > maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill
etc.
| > I
| > > > think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and
on
| > > > cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't
get
| > all
| > > > religious on me.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Regards,
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Eric.
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
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| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
| > > > >
| > > > > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted
on
| > > > landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Question-10
| > > > > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
| > > > > > YES = 152____ NO = 26_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Question-16
| > > > > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
| > > > > > YES = 156____ NO = 25_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Question-19
| > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
| > > > > > YES = 135____ NO = 39_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Question-24
| > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
| > > > > > YES = 106____ NO = 60_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
| > > > > >
| > > > > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
The
| > vote
| > > > weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both
to be
| > > > scored.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these
two
| > > > maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill
etc.
| > I
| > > > think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and
on
| > > > cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't
get
| > all
| > > > religious on me.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Regards,
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Eric.
| > > > > >
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