Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
george kennie
geobet at gis.net
Fri Nov 14 06:39:03 AKST 2003
Thanks Ron,
I'm not sure that I can get all the info to him that I want to by e-mail.
I just may have to send him a U.S.mail packet afterall, but thanks anyway, I
have recorded your info.
Georgie
ronlock wrote:
> Hi Georgie,
>
> You might try GoMelvil at aol.com
>
> Later, Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
>
> > Hey Guys,
> > Anybody out there in District 1 have an e-mail address for Scotty
> Melville?????
> > Georgie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tony Stillman wrote:
> >
> > > George:
> > >
> > > Hey, don't be shy about stating you point of view! Many times, I find
> > > myself re-thinking things based on this very thing.
> > >
> > > However, in this instance, the issue is that we have to voice our
> opinions
> > > to the people that vote (the contest board). Each of use have a board
> > > member that we can contact in our AMA district. Each of use need to do
> just
> > > that and let them know how we want them to vote on each proposal! This
> is
> > > crucial! Many times these board members are left with NO input from
> their
> > > constituents at all! We don't want that!
> > >
> > > Tony Stillman
> > > Radio South
> > > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> > > Pensacola, FL 32505
> > > 1-800-962-7802
> > > www.radiosouthrc.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Tony,
> > > > Your instructions will be carried out!
> > > > I realize that I, all too often, come across way too strongly, and
> while
> > > it's
> > > > not my intent to ruffle too many feathers too dramatically, I just
> happen
> > > to be
> > > > possessed with the type of personality that gets a little too
> passionate
> > > > regarding areas, perceived by me, to be unjust. For my ranting I
> > > apologize.
> > > > While I feel that your instructions are probably the best tack, I
> couldn't
> > > help
> > > > feel that some of these points needed to be aired so I gave voice to
> my
> > > > concerns.I will indeed abide by your directive and thank you for it.
> > > > Respectfully,
> > > > Georgie
> > > >
> > > > Tony Stillman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > George:
> > > > >
> > > > > You points are well taken. The main reason for me bringing any of
> this
> > > up
> > > > > is to be our NSRCA membership to contact their Contest Board member
> and
> > > tell
> > > > > them how YOU want THEM to vote!
> > > > >
> > > > > They don't read this BB, so they don't know how any of us feel about
> any
> > > of
> > > > > these rules proposals UNLESS YOU TELL THEM!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > AM I MAKING MY POINT!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > GO CALL THEM, OR BE WILLING TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER OUTCOME OF THE
> > > VOTE....
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony Stillman
> > > > > Radio South
> > > > > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> > > > > Pensacola, FL 32505
> > > > > 1-800-962-7802
> > > > > www.radiosouthrc.com
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> > > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:15 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The evidence is before you, people!!!!!
> > > > > > Here is another blatant example of the upper class flyers forcing
> > > their
> > > > > agenda upon the lower class flyers, irrespective of the desires of
> the
> > > > > masses. Whoever said that we abide by democratic processes might
> have
> > > been
> > > > > experiencing a bad hair day!?
> > > > > > Between the two referenced maneuvers, there are no less than 17
> > > elemental
> > > > > judging criteria by which a judge can arrive at a considered award.
> > > Think
> > > > > about it guys! Seventeen different downgrades! To someone, way back
> > > when,
> > > > > these maneuvers represented enough merit for that person to spend
> > > > > significant
> > > > > > contemplation to establish a set of guidelines so that a judge
> could
> > > then
> > > > > sit in the chair with a set of effective tools by which a fair award
> > > could
> > > > > be made.It's pretty obvious, to me, that these maneuvers were
> considered
> > > > > important to the person who drew up the rules, and to throw them all
> > > away
> > > > > would represent
> > > > > > an act of disrespect to that individual(s).In my opinion, whoever
> > > > > assembled the compendium we have been fortunate to inherit thru the
> > > > > directive we affectionately call the "rule book", represents a
> > > deliberate
> > > > > thinker of magnanamous proportions, and for us to second guess this
> > > genius
> > > > > would truly be folly.
> > > > > > If there are truly problems with the scoring of these two
> > > maneuvers,
> > > > > then, I feel, there has been a failure in our certification program.
> We,
> > > in
> > > > > all probability, need to emphasize certain elements of instruction
> > > regarding
> > > > > these maneuvers.The problem areas need to be fixed. Don't throw the
> baby
> > > out
> > > > > with the
> > > > > > bath water!
> > > > > > In my local area I have heard the statement, "Pattern pilots
> can
> > > fly
> > > > > well, but they can't land." I have no idea how we came to deserve
> this
> > > > > reputation among the sport pilots.I fear that if we remove the
> > > referenced
> > > > > maneuvers from the sequences, we will be lending support to their
> claim,
> > > > > encouraging them to
> > > > > > believe that we agree with them.
> > > > > > As regards centering and whether the runway is lined or not, the
> issue
> > > of
> > > > > judging the size of the landing zone is no more valid than judging
> the
> > > > > length of the 15 meter entry and exit line before and after a
> maneuver.
> > > I
> > > > > have yet to attend a contest where they had lined the sky for the
> event,
> > > and
> > > > > yet I was
> > > > > > entrusted with the ability to assess whether each said line was
> indeed
> > > of
> > > > > the correct length(further, there were no protests).If I judge the
> > > landing
> > > > > zone long or short, maybe the judge next to me judges in the
> opposing
> > > > > direction cancelling me out.Hey!, we're talking about a K-1 maneuver
> > > here.
> > > > > How many points
> > > > > > can I be penalized? Out of a total score of how many hundred
> > > points????
> > > > > > Another point I would like to address regarding " goes to
> > > presentation".
> > > > > Watch the really good guys in FAI perform these maneuvers. They do
> them
> > > like
> > > > > proffessionals!!! Smooth and graceful. Says to the Judge, " I'm
> worth
> > > > > watching closely, you're going to see good stuff from me."
> > > > > > Let's not forget the lower class guys as this is an area we
> worked
> > > hard
> > > > > to master and we deserve our just desserts
> > > > > > Georgie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted
> on
> > > > > landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question-10
> > > > > > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> > > > > > > YES = 152____ NO = 26_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question-16
> > > > > > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> > > > > > > YES = 156____ NO = 25_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question-19
> > > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> > > > > > > YES = 135____ NO = 39_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question-24
> > > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> > > > > > > YES = 106____ NO = 60_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
> The
> > > vote
> > > > > weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both
> to be
> > > > > scored.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these
> two
> > > > > maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill
> etc.
> > > I
> > > > > think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and
> on
> > > > > cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't
> get
> > > all
> > > > > religious on me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric.
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> > > > > > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted
> on
> > > > > landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question-10
> > > > > > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> > > > > > > YES = 152____ NO = 26_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question-16
> > > > > > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> > > > > > > YES = 156____ NO = 25_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question-19
> > > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> > > > > > > YES = 135____ NO = 39_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question-24
> > > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> > > > > > > YES = 106____ NO = 60_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
> The
> > > vote
> > > > > weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both
> to be
> > > > > scored.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these
> two
> > > > > maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill
> etc.
> > > I
> > > > > think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and
> on
> > > > > cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't
> get
> > > all
> > > > > religious on me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eric.
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