Rule Change Survey Results

Sat Nov 15 14:19:39 AKST 2003

 That's a good question. Hell anything that takes that long is broke. With todays rapid communication lines the process should be reinvented. It's ridiculous! Mike

Gene Maurice <gene.maurice at comcast.net> wrote:Can someone please explain to me why the rules proposal, submission, voting, approval, and implementation process takes so long. There is nearly 2 1/2 years from conception to birth. Hell, elephant gestation is only 22 months!!!! 

I'm not taking shots at anyone, just curious why it takes so long.

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at comcast.net
Plano, TX
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877 

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Lance Van Nostrand
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:42 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Rule Change Survey Results

I wonder now if Georgie is right in his assessment of the politics.  This is an amazingly odd comment by the chairman of the contest board about the NSRCA rules survey:

 "From 2002.  An old survey before the rules proposals were available to the membership.  In my mind I am not sure it is still valid.  Do not think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter. 
John 

As we have learned the hard way, the voting occurring this April 2004 is based on rules proposals wording finalized in Sept 2002 and that were approved in July 2003 to be on the ballot in April 2004.  Any member surveys after Sept 2002 are moot.  We shouldn't discount the survey since it is the only official accounting of member opinion collected before the cutoff.  The April vote is the opportunity to determine if the proper proposals made long ago should become rules.
   If John feels the 2002 survey is no longer valid, on what is he basing that opinion?  Seems to me all the evidence shows that the 2002 survey results are still valid.

--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ron Van Putte 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:05 AM
Subject: Fwd: Rule Change Survey Results

NSRCA Discussion List members: For your information, below is an interchange I had this morning with John Fuqua, R/C Aerobatics contest board chairman regarding potential takeoff/landing rule changes, extracted from the 2002 NSRCA member survey .

Ron Van Putte

Begin forwarded message:

From: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA <john.fuqua at eglin.af.mil>
Date: November 14, 2003 8:49:15 AM PST
To: "'Ron Van Putte'" <vanputte at cox.net>
Cc: "'Tony Stillman'" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: RE: Rule Change Survey Results

OK.  This was the result of a personal initiative to submit Discussion List discussion to me and it is not a official NSRCA input.   Duly noted.    I choose not to forward THAT to the board.  Again, I will forward an NSRCA input on the rules proposals should I receive one.

John
-----Original Message-----
From:Ron Van Putte [mailto:vanputte at cox.net]
Sent:Friday, November 14, 2003 10:41 AM
To:Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA
Subject:Re: Rule Change Survey Results

On Nov 14, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA wrote:

Do not know what precipitated this particular input, but I do not want to get into piecemeal NSRCA inputs to the Board.  If NSRCA wants to provide a comprehensive reccommendation on all proposals, I will forward it to the Board. 

It was the topic of considerable discussion on the NSRCA Discussion List. It was suggested that the results of the survey be forwarded to the Board and I agreed to do it.

Ron

-----Original Message----- 

From: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA 

Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:21 AM 

To: 'Ron Van Putte' 

Cc: 'Tony Stillman' 

Subject: RE: Rule Change Survey Results 

>From 2002.  An old survey before the rules proposals were available to the membership.  In my mind I am not sure it is still valid.  Do not think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter. 

John 

-----Original Message----- 

From: Ron Van Putte [mailto:vanputte at cox.net] 

Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:16 AM 

To: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA 

Cc: discussion at nsrca.org; Tony Stillman 

Subject: Rule Change Survey Results 

John - I have agreed to forward the results of an NSRCA survey on the 

takeoff/landing rule change proposal, which were extracted from a 2002 

K-Factor.   Here they are: 

"This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted on 

landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes. 

Question-10 

Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401. 

YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO CHANGE____ 

Question-16 

Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate 

YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____ 

Question-19 

Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced 

YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____ 

Question-24 

Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters 

YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____ 

As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored. The vote 

weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both to 

be scored." 

As R/C Aerobatics Contest Board chairman, please distribute the results 

to the other board members prior to the final vote on this proposal. 

Ron Van Putte 

NSRCA vice president 

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