Rule Change Survey Results

[Gene Maurice]

Can someone please explain to me why the rules proposal, submission, voting,
approval, and implementation process takes so long. There is nearly 2 1/2
years from conception to birth. Hell, elephant gestation is only 22
months!!!!

I'm not taking shots at anyone, just curious why it takes so long.

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at comcast.net
Plano, TX
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877

  -----Original Message-----
  From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Lance Van Nostrand
  Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:42 PM
  To: discussion at nsrca.org
  Subject: Re: Rule Change Survey Results


  I wonder now if Georgie is right in his assessment of the politics.  This
is an amazingly odd comment by the chairman of the contest board about the
NSRCA rules survey:

   "From 2002.  An old survey before the rules proposals were available to
the membership.  In my mind I am not sure it is still valid.  Do not think
there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter.
  John

  As we have learned the hard way, the voting occurring this April 2004 is
based on rules proposals wording finalized in Sept 2002 and that were
approved in July 2003 to be on the ballot in April 2004.  Any member surveys
after Sept 2002 are moot.  We shouldn't discount the survey since it is the
only official accounting of member opinion collected before the cutoff.  The
April vote is the opportunity to determine if the proper proposals made long
ago should become rules.
     If John feels the 2002 survey is no longer valid, on what is he basing
that opinion?  Seems to me all the evidence shows that the 2002 survey
results are still valid.

  --Lance

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Ron Van Putte
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:05 AM
    Subject: Fwd: Rule Change Survey Results


    NSRCA Discussion List members: For your information, below is an
interchange I had this morning with John Fuqua, R/C Aerobatics contest board
chairman regarding potential takeoff/landing rule changes, extracted from
the 2002 NSRCA member survey .

    Ron Van Putte

    Begin forwarded message:


      From: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA <john.fuqua at eglin.af.mil>
      Date: November 14, 2003 8:49:15 AM PST
      To: "'Ron Van Putte'" <vanputte at cox.net>
      Cc: "'Tony Stillman'" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
      Subject: RE: Rule Change Survey Results

      OK.  This was the result of a personal initiative to submit Discussion
List discussion to me and it is not a official NSRCA input.   Duly noted.
I choose not to forward THAT to the board.  Again, I will forward an NSRCA
input on the rules proposals should I receive one.

      John
      -----Original Message-----
      From:Ron Van Putte [mailto:vanputte at cox.net]
      Sent:Friday, November 14, 2003 10:41 AM
      To:Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA
      Subject:Re: Rule Change Survey Results





      On Nov 14, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA wrote:



      Do not know what precipitated this particular input, but I do not want
to get into piecemeal NSRCA inputs to the Board.  If NSRCA wants to provide
a comprehensive reccommendation on all proposals, I will forward it to the
Board.






      It was the topic of considerable discussion on the NSRCA Discussion
List. It was suggested that the results of the survey be forwarded to the
Board and I agreed to do it.



      Ron




      -----Original Message-----

      From: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA

      Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:21 AM

      To: 'Ron Van Putte'

      Cc: 'Tony Stillman'

      Subject: RE: Rule Change Survey Results

      From 2002.  An old survey before the rules proposals were available to
the membership.  In my mind I am not sure it is still valid.  Do not think
there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter.

      John


      -----Original Message-----

      From: Ron Van Putte [mailto:vanputte at cox.net]

      Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:16 AM

      To: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA

      Cc: discussion at nsrca.org; Tony Stillman

      Subject: Rule Change Survey Results



      John - I have agreed to forward the results of an NSRCA survey on the

      takeoff/landing rule change proposal, which were extracted from a 2002

      K-Factor.   Here they are:


      "This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted on

      landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.


      Question-10

      Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.

      YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO CHANGE____



      Question-16

      Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate

      YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____



      Question-19

      Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced

      YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____



      Question-24

      Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters

      YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____



      As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored. The vote

      weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both to

      be scored."



      As R/C Aerobatics Contest Board chairman, please distribute the
results

      to the other board members prior to the final vote on this proposal.



      Ron Van Putte

      NSRCA vice president
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