Rule Change Survey Results

george kennie geobet at gis.net
Sat Nov 15 11:02:59 AKST 2003


You said it in a lot nicer way than I Lance. Thanks!!!!

Lance Van Nostrand wrote:

> I wonder now if Georgie is right in his assessment of the politics.
> This is an amazingly odd comment by the chairman of the contest board
> about the NSRCA rules survey:  "From 2002.  An old survey before the
> rules proposals were available to the membership.  In my mind I am not
> sure it is still valid.  Do not think there was a "2004" survey or
> 2003 for that matter.<?/smaller>
> John<?/smaller>As we have learned the hard way, the voting occurring
> this April 2004 is based on rules proposals wording finalized in Sept
> 2002 and that were approved in July 2003 to be on the ballot in April
> 2004.  Any member surveys after Sept 2002 are moot.  We shouldn't
> discount the survey since it is the only official accounting of member
> opinion collected before the cutoff.  The April vote is the
> opportunity to determine if the proper proposals made long ago should
> become rules.   If John feels the 2002 survey is no longer valid, on
> what is he basing that opinion?  Seems to me all the evidence shows
> that the 2002 survey results are still valid. --Lance
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Ron Van Putte
>      To: discussion at nsrca.org
>      Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:05 AM
>      Subject: Fwd: Rule Change Survey Results
>       NSRCA Discussion List members: For your information, below
>      is an interchange I had this morning with John Fuqua, R/C
>      Aerobatics contest board chairman regarding potential
>      takeoff/landing rule changes, extracted from the 2002 NSRCA
>      member survey .
>
>      Ron Van Putte
>
>      Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>           <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>From:
>           <?/color>Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA
>           <john.fuqua at eglin.af.mil>
>           <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Date:
>           <?/color>November 14, 2003 8:49:15 AM PST
>           <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>To: <?/color>"'Ron
>           Van Putte'" <vanputte at cox.net>
>           <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Cc: <?/color>"'Tony
>           Stillman'" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>           <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Subject:
>           <?/color>RE: Rule Change Survey Results
>
>           <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param
>           0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>OK.  This was the result
>           of a personal initiative to submit Discussion List
>           discussion to me and it is not a official NSRCA
>           input.   Duly noted.    I choose not to forward
>           THAT to the board.  Again, I will forward an NSRCA
>           input on the rules proposals should I receive
>           one.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily>
>
>           <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param
>           0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>John<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily>
>
>           <?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
>           <?smaller>From:<?/smaller><?smaller>Ron Van Putte
>           [mailto:vanputte at cox.net]<?/smaller>
>           <?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller><?smaller>Friday,
>           November 14, 2003 10:41 AM<?/smaller>
>           <?smaller>To:<?/smaller><?smaller>Fuqua John D
>           Contr AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
>           <?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller><?smaller>Re: Rule
>           Change Survey Results<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
>
>           On Nov 14, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Fuqua John D Contr
>           AAC/YAA wrote:
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>Do not know what precipitated this
>           particular input, but I do not want to get into
>           piecemeal NSRCA inputs to the Board.  If NSRCA
>           wants to provide a comprehensive reccommendation
>           on all proposals, I will forward it to the
>           Board.<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>           It was the topic of considerable discussion on the
>           NSRCA Discussion List. It was suggested that the
>           results of the survey be forwarded to the Board
>           and I agreed to do it.
>
>
>
>           Ron
>
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>From: Fuqua John D Contr
>           AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:21
>           AM<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>To: 'Ron Van Putte'<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Cc: 'Tony Stillman'<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Subject: RE: Rule Change Survey
>           Results<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>From 2002.  An old survey before the
>           rules proposals were available to the membership.
>           In my mind I am not sure it is still valid.  Do
>           not think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for
>           that matter.<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>John<?/smaller>
>
>
>           <?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>From: Ron Van Putte [<?color><?param
>           0000,0000,EEEE>mailto:vanputte at cox.net<?/color>]<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:16
>           AM<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>To: Fuqua John D Contr
>           AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Cc: discussion at nsrca.org; Tony
>           Stillman<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Subject: Rule Change Survey
>           Results<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>John - I have agreed to forward the
>           results of an NSRCA survey on the<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>takeoff/landing rule change proposal,
>           which were extracted from a 2002<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>K-Factor.   Here they are:<?/smaller>
>
>
>           <?smaller>"This how those who cared to vote in the
>           2004 NSRCA survey, voted on<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules
>           proposal changes.<?/smaller>
>
>
>           <?smaller>Question-10<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Should the Take off and Landing be
>           scored in 401.<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>YES = 152____         NO =
>           26_____          RESULT  = NO
>           CHANGE____<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>Question-16<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Should take off and landings be scored
>           in Intermediate<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>YES = 156____         NO =
>           25_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>Question-19<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in
>           Advanced<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>YES = 135____         NO =
>           39_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>Question-24<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in
>           Masters<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>YES = 106____         NO =
>           60_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>As you can see the majority still wanted
>           to have them scored. The vote<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>weakened a little in Masters but it
>           still was strong for them both to<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>be scored."<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>As R/C Aerobatics Contest Board
>           chairman, please distribute the results<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>to the other board members prior to the
>           final vote on this proposal.<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>           <?smaller>Ron Van Putte<?/smaller>
>
>           <?smaller>NSRCA vice president<?/smaller>
>
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