Rule Change Survey Results
george kennie
geobet at gis.net
Sat Nov 15 11:02:59 AKST 2003
You said it in a lot nicer way than I Lance. Thanks!!!!
Lance Van Nostrand wrote:
> I wonder now if Georgie is right in his assessment of the politics.
> This is an amazingly odd comment by the chairman of the contest board
> about the NSRCA rules survey: "From 2002. An old survey before the
> rules proposals were available to the membership. In my mind I am not
> sure it is still valid. Do not think there was a "2004" survey or
> 2003 for that matter.<?/smaller>
> John<?/smaller>As we have learned the hard way, the voting occurring
> this April 2004 is based on rules proposals wording finalized in Sept
> 2002 and that were approved in July 2003 to be on the ballot in April
> 2004. Any member surveys after Sept 2002 are moot. We shouldn't
> discount the survey since it is the only official accounting of member
> opinion collected before the cutoff. The April vote is the
> opportunity to determine if the proper proposals made long ago should
> become rules. If John feels the 2002 survey is no longer valid, on
> what is he basing that opinion? Seems to me all the evidence shows
> that the 2002 survey results are still valid. --Lance
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Van Putte
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:05 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Rule Change Survey Results
> NSRCA Discussion List members: For your information, below
> is an interchange I had this morning with John Fuqua, R/C
> Aerobatics contest board chairman regarding potential
> takeoff/landing rule changes, extracted from the 2002 NSRCA
> member survey .
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>From:
> <?/color>Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA
> <john.fuqua at eglin.af.mil>
> <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Date:
> <?/color>November 14, 2003 8:49:15 AM PST
> <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>To: <?/color>"'Ron
> Van Putte'" <vanputte at cox.net>
> <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Cc: <?/color>"'Tony
> Stillman'" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> <?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Subject:
> <?/color>RE: Rule Change Survey Results
>
> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param
> 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>OK. This was the result
> of a personal initiative to submit Discussion List
> discussion to me and it is not a official NSRCA
> input. Duly noted. I choose not to forward
> THAT to the board. Again, I will forward an NSRCA
> input on the rules proposals should I receive
> one.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily>
>
> <?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param
> 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>John<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily>
>
> <?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
> <?smaller>From:<?/smaller><?smaller>Ron Van Putte
> [mailto:vanputte at cox.net]<?/smaller>
> <?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller><?smaller>Friday,
> November 14, 2003 10:41 AM<?/smaller>
> <?smaller>To:<?/smaller><?smaller>Fuqua John D
> Contr AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
> <?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller><?smaller>Re: Rule
> Change Survey Results<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Fuqua John D Contr
> AAC/YAA wrote:
>
>
>
> <?smaller>Do not know what precipitated this
> particular input, but I do not want to get into
> piecemeal NSRCA inputs to the Board. If NSRCA
> wants to provide a comprehensive reccommendation
> on all proposals, I will forward it to the
> Board.<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It was the topic of considerable discussion on the
> NSRCA Discussion List. It was suggested that the
> results of the survey be forwarded to the Board
> and I agreed to do it.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> <?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>From: Fuqua John D Contr
> AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:21
> AM<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>To: 'Ron Van Putte'<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Cc: 'Tony Stillman'<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Subject: RE: Rule Change Survey
> Results<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>From 2002. An old survey before the
> rules proposals were available to the membership.
> In my mind I am not sure it is still valid. Do
> not think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for
> that matter.<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>John<?/smaller>
>
>
> <?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>From: Ron Van Putte [<?color><?param
> 0000,0000,EEEE>mailto:vanputte at cox.net<?/color>]<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:16
> AM<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>To: Fuqua John D Contr
> AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Cc: discussion at nsrca.org; Tony
> Stillman<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Subject: Rule Change Survey
> Results<?/smaller>
>
>
>
> <?smaller>John - I have agreed to forward the
> results of an NSRCA survey on the<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>takeoff/landing rule change proposal,
> which were extracted from a 2002<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>K-Factor. Here they are:<?/smaller>
>
>
> <?smaller>"This how those who cared to vote in the
> 2004 NSRCA survey, voted on<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules
> proposal changes.<?/smaller>
>
>
> <?smaller>Question-10<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Should the Take off and Landing be
> scored in 401.<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>YES = 152____ NO =
> 26_____ RESULT = NO
> CHANGE____<?/smaller>
>
>
>
> <?smaller>Question-16<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Should take off and landings be scored
> in Intermediate<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>YES = 156____ NO =
> 25_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
> <?smaller>Question-19<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in
> Advanced<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>YES = 135____ NO =
> 39_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
> <?smaller>Question-24<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in
> Masters<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>YES = 106____ NO =
> 60_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
>
>
>
>
> <?smaller>As you can see the majority still wanted
> to have them scored. The vote<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>weakened a little in Masters but it
> still was strong for them both to<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>be scored."<?/smaller>
>
>
>
> <?smaller>As R/C Aerobatics Contest Board
> chairman, please distribute the results<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>to the other board members prior to the
> final vote on this proposal.<?/smaller>
>
>
>
> <?smaller>Ron Van Putte<?/smaller>
>
> <?smaller>NSRCA vice president<?/smaller>
>
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