Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:

Thu Nov 13 18:45:10 AKST 2003

Hi Georgie,

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Later, Ron
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:

> Hey Guys,
> Anybody out there in District 1 have an e-mail address for Scotty
Melville?????
> Georgie
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman wrote:
>
> > George:
> >
> > Hey, don't be shy about stating you point of view!  Many times, I find
> > myself re-thinking things based on this very thing.
> >
> > However, in this instance, the issue is that we have to voice our
opinions
> > to the people that vote (the contest board).  Each of use have a board
> > member that we can contact in our AMA district.  Each of use need to do
just
> > that and let them know how we want them to vote on each proposal!  This
is
> > crucial!  Many times these board members are left with NO input from
their
> > constituents at all!  We don't want that!
> >
> > Tony Stillman
> > Radio South
> > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> > Pensacola, FL 32505
> > 1-800-962-7802
> > www.radiosouthrc.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
> >
> > > Thanks Tony,
> > > Your instructions will be carried out!
> > > I realize that I, all too often, come across way too strongly, and
while
> > it's
> > > not my intent to ruffle too many feathers too dramatically, I just
happen
> > to be
> > > possessed with the type of personality that gets a little too
passionate
> > > regarding areas, perceived by me, to be unjust. For my ranting I
> > apologize.
> > > While I feel that your instructions are probably the best tack, I
couldn't
> > help
> > > feel that some of these points needed to be aired so I gave voice to
my
> > > concerns.I will indeed abide by your directive and thank you for it.
> > > Respectfully,
> > > Georgie
> > >
> > > Tony Stillman wrote:
> > >
> > > > George:
> > > >
> > > > You points are well taken.  The main reason for me bringing any of
this
> > up
> > > > is to be our NSRCA membership to contact their Contest Board member
and
> > tell
> > > > them how YOU want THEM to vote!
> > > >
> > > > They don't read this BB, so they don't know how any of us feel about
any
> > of
> > > > these rules proposals UNLESS YOU TELL THEM!!!!
> > > >
> > > > AM I MAKING MY POINT!!!
> > > >
> > > > GO CALL THEM, OR BE WILLING TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER OUTCOME OF THE
> > VOTE....
> > > >
> > > > Tony Stillman
> > > > Radio South
> > > > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> > > > Pensacola, FL 32505
> > > > 1-800-962-7802
> > > > www.radiosouthrc.com
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:15 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
> > > >
> > > > > The evidence is before you, people!!!!!
> > > > > Here is another blatant example of the upper class flyers forcing
> > their
> > > > agenda upon the lower class flyers, irrespective of the desires of
the
> > > > masses. Whoever said that we abide by democratic processes might
have
> > been
> > > > experiencing a bad hair day!?
> > > > > Between the two referenced maneuvers, there are no less than 17
> > elemental
> > > > judging criteria by which a judge can arrive at a considered award.
> > Think
> > > > about it guys! Seventeen different downgrades! To someone, way back
> > when,
> > > > these maneuvers represented enough merit for that person to spend
> > > > significant
> > > > > contemplation to establish a set of guidelines so that a judge
could
> > then
> > > > sit in the chair with a set of effective tools by which a fair award
> > could
> > > > be made.It's pretty obvious, to me, that these maneuvers were
considered
> > > > important to the person who drew up the rules, and to throw them all
> > away
> > > > would represent
> > > > > an act of disrespect to that individual(s).In my opinion, whoever
> > > > assembled the compendium we have been fortunate to inherit thru the
> > > > directive we affectionately call the "rule book", represents a
> > deliberate
> > > > thinker of magnanamous proportions, and for us to second guess this
> > genius
> > > > would truly be folly.
> > > > >    If there are truly problems with the scoring of these two
> > maneuvers,
> > > > then, I feel, there has been a failure in our certification program.
We,
> > in
> > > > all probability, need to emphasize certain elements of instruction
> > regarding
> > > > these maneuvers.The problem areas need to be fixed. Don't throw the
baby
> > out
> > > > with the
> > > > > bath water!
> > > > >    In my local area I have heard the statement, "Pattern pilots
can
> > fly
> > > > well, but they can't land." I have no idea how we came to deserve
this
> > > > reputation among the sport pilots.I fear that if we remove the
> > referenced
> > > > maneuvers from the sequences, we will be lending support to their
claim,
> > > > encouraging them to
> > > > > believe that we agree with them.
> > > > > As regards centering and whether the runway is lined or not, the
issue
> > of
> > > > judging the size of the landing zone is no more valid than judging
the
> > > > length of the 15 meter entry and exit line before and after a
maneuver.
> > I
> > > > have yet to attend a contest where they had lined the sky for the
event,
> > and
> > > > yet I was
> > > > > entrusted with the ability to assess whether each said line was
indeed
> > of
> > > > the correct length(further, there were no protests).If I judge the
> > landing
> > > > zone long or short, maybe the judge next to me judges in the
opposing
> > > > direction cancelling me out.Hey!, we're talking about a K-1 maneuver
> > here.
> > > > How many points
> > > > > can I be penalized? Out of a total score of how many hundred
> > points????
> > > > > Another point I would like to address regarding " goes to
> > presentation".
> > > > Watch the really good guys in FAI perform these maneuvers. They do
them
> > like
> > > > proffessionals!!! Smooth and graceful. Says to the Judge, " I'm
worth
> > > > watching closely, you're going to see good stuff from me."
> > > > >   Let's not forget the lower class guys as this is an area we
worked
> > hard
> > > > to master and we deserve our just desserts
> > > > > Georgie
> > > > >
> > > > > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted
on
> > > > landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question-10
> > > > > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> > > > > > YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO
CHANGE____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question-16
> > > > > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> > > > > > YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question-19
> > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> > > > > > YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question-24
> > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> > > > > > YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
The
> > vote
> > > > weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both
to be
> > > > scored.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these
two
> > > > maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill
etc.
> > I
> > > > think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and
on
> > > > cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't
get
> > all
> > > > religious on me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted
on
> > > > landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question-10
> > > > > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> > > > > > YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO
CHANGE____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question-16
> > > > > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> > > > > > YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question-19
> > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> > > > > > YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Question-24
> > > > > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> > > > > > YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO
CHANGE____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
The
> > vote
> > > > weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both
to be
> > > > scored.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these
two
> > > > maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill
etc.
> > I
> > > > think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and
on
> > > > cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't
get
> > all
> > > > religious on me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric.
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