Landing (was Re: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????)

[george kennie]

Thank you Dave for your sanity!
G.

davel322 at comcast.net wrote:

> Respectfully, I must disagree.
>
> If the rules aren't being followed, they should not be eliminated.
>
> Barrel rolls and "twinkle" rolls pretending to be snap rolls routinely get
> scored and should be zeroed.  Should we stop judging snaps?
>
> Flopped stall turns (more than 150 degrees off in roll axis) routinely are not
> zeroed.  Should we stop judging stall turns?
>
> Judging is not an easy task, and there will always be room for improvement.
> Where the rules are gray (no matter how clear they seemed when originally
> authored) and interpreted in various ways, there is room to clarify the rules.
> When the rules are clear and ignored, they need to be politely enforced.
>
> So far as landing - we have a system for scoring centering on maneuvers and I
> personally don't think we need something different for landing - it is just an
> additional rule that adds needless complexity (but I will follow it as long as
> it is there).  Besides, at many fields, the landing zone is never marked, or
> because of field layout, the landing zone is not used (in which case landing in
> the zone or centering of the landing would not be part of the judging criteria).
>
> Dave Lockhart
> DaveL322 at comcast.net
> > Wayne:
> >
> > Exactly the point.  If we can't follow the rules to judge it properly, maybe
> > it's time to quit judging it.  After all, this maneuver has not changed
> > much, even from the early days of pattern  <VBG>  So, if we STILL can't
> > judge it, let's try something else....
> >
> > I see this problem at most all of the contests every year, including the
> > NATS.  I judge Masters class, and find that many of the FAI judges sitting
> > with me don't know the rules to judge it.
> >
> >
> > Tony Stillman
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
> >
> >
> > > But flight is not attainable without take off and landing.  So I say keep
> > > the scoring.
> > >
> > > Take-offs optional.... landings mandatory.    The only thing I saw
>
> > > controversial about scoring takeoffs/landings is where the plane lifts off
> > > and touches down.   Some would score based on how close it is to the
> > center
> > > of box line.  It states that scoring is based on touchdown with-in the 15
> > > meters left or right of the box center then deductions for path, attitude
> > > and centering on the runway.   I know the ONLY way I could get a ten is if
> > I
> > > put it right on the center line and center box with a 3 pt touchdown or on
> > > the takeoff.  This was outlined by the CD at two different contests to
> > score
> > > maximum points that touchdown/take off occur between the15 meters both
> > sides
> > > of the center of the box and still seemed to be overlooked.
> > >
> > > Don Ramsey...help me out here.
> > >
> > > Wayne G.
> > >
>
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