Landing (was Re: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????)

[Atwood, Mark]

I have to agree with Dave on this one.  Learning to land at center...in a variety of wind conditions and at various fields probably taught me more about flying and how to control the airplane than all the other manuevers combined.  If anything...we should raise the value.

As for the 15 meter box...I would prefer it if the rule DID state that a perfect score can only be acheived landing at center...with a very minimal downgrade for anything else within the landing zone.  Center is easy to judge...and everyone is aiming for center.  So why not reward those that can hit it.  Some do EVERY time...

-M


-----Original Message-----
From:	davel322 at comcast.net [mailto:davel322 at comcast.net]
Sent:	Tue 11/11/2003 6:41 PM
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Subject:	Landing (was Re: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????)

Respectfully, I must disagree.

If the rules aren't being followed, they should not be eliminated.

Barrel rolls and "twinkle" rolls pretending to be snap rolls routinely get 
scored and should be zeroed.  Should we stop judging snaps?

Flopped stall turns (more than 150 degrees off in roll axis) routinely are not 
zeroed.  Should we stop judging stall turns?

Judging is not an easy task, and there will always be room for improvement.  
Where the rules are gray (no matter how clear they seemed when originally 
authored) and interpreted in various ways, there is room to clarify the rules.  
When the rules are clear and ignored, they need to be politely enforced.

So far as landing - we have a system for scoring centering on maneuvers and I 
personally don't think we need something different for landing - it is just an 
additional rule that adds needless complexity (but I will follow it as long as 
it is there).  Besides, at many fields, the landing zone is never marked, or 
because of field layout, the landing zone is not used (in which case landing in 
the zone or centering of the landing would not be part of the judging criteria).

Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net
> Wayne:
> 
> Exactly the point.  If we can't follow the rules to judge it properly, maybe
> it's time to quit judging it.  After all, this maneuver has not changed
> much, even from the early days of pattern  <VBG>  So, if we STILL can't
> judge it, let's try something else....
> 
> I see this problem at most all of the contests every year, including the
> NATS.  I judge Masters class, and find that many of the FAI judges sitting
> with me don't know the rules to judge it.
> 
> 
> Tony Stillman
> Radio South
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
> 
> 
> > But flight is not attainable without take off and landing.  So I say keep
> > the scoring.
> >
> > Take-offs optional.... landings mandatory.    The only thing I saw

> > controversial about scoring takeoffs/landings is where the plane lifts off
> > and touches down.   Some would score based on how close it is to the
> center
> > of box line.  It states that scoring is based on touchdown with-in the 15
> > meters left or right of the box center then deductions for path, attitude
> > and centering on the runway.   I know the ONLY way I could get a ten is if
> I
> > put it right on the center line and center box with a 3 pt touchdown or on
> > the takeoff.  This was outlined by the CD at two different contests to
> score
> > maximum points that touchdown/take off occur between the15 meters both
> sides
> > of the center of the box and still seemed to be overlooked.
> >
> > Don Ramsey...help me out here.
> >
> > Wayne G.
> >

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