F-03 #10?

[george kennie]

<<<<<Are you advocating new judging criteria that is not in the
book?>>>>>

Nope!!!!!! Just trying to simplify the judging stress by a more
universal presentation.
Great hearing from you!
Georgie



Troy Newman wrote:

> Georgie, I won't jump on you too hard...as that's one way to do
> it.... But the maneuver can be flown various ways with a longer 45 and
> tighter loops.......You can't make a statement that this is the way
> its suppose to be....because not everyone will fly it that way. BY the
> rules...the pilot need only maintain constant radii, a visible 45, a
> visible vertical 2/2 on the upline, a visible vertical, and center the
> whole maneuver.....That's it!......You can't dictate to the pilot how
> to do it beyond this. This is the rule book explanation nothing more
> and nothing less. In fact the rules say that the judge is not to
> downgrade based on the radii size and line length is not a judging
> criteria unless there are geometry issues that require same line
> lengths. Power of one model is not a criteria over the lack of power
> in another model as long as geometry is preserved.  Are you advocating
> new judging criteria that is not in the book?  You know I love ya
> Georgie! Troy
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: george kennie
>      To: discussion at nsrca.org
>      Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:18 AM
>      Subject: Re: JR "Unplugged"
>       Don,
>      Thanks for taking the time to respond. It was not expected,
>      but appreciated. I have your responce printed out for
>      reference.
>      I also received an additional help from another concerned
>      individual who sent me an article from Horizon on
>      programming the 10-X which just happened to be 35 pages in
>      length, but I was unable to print it. It activates a
>      non-accessable dialogue box. Duh!
>      Regarding switch assignments: E-F, MD, LD, MX, AU, GR, SNP,
>      STK,......I'm aware that MX refers to the mix switch, GR the
>      gear switch, SNP the snap switch, and STK the throttle
>      lever, but am in the dark regarding the rest. Could you
>      define E-F, MD, LD, AU, .......AU sounds like it would be an
>      Auxilliary switch, but which one? Also, is it possible to
>      assign anything to the Flap Switch (not the flap lever), the
>      one that says "elev and land" beside it?
>      Thanks for explaining "Normal, Include, and Origin" .
>      I'm using the Elev D/R switch for activation of my flight
>      mode which prompts me to ask, are you flying mode one or
>      two?
>      On the subject of the mousse can, the one I had on my
>      Schmooze is going on a new airplane this season so I have
>      gotten more longevity from it than I originally anticipated.
>
>      Oh, while I've got you, that #10 maneuver in F-03. I got
>      thinking about that the other nite and it occurred to me
>      after drawing out several variations of the maneuver that if
>      the loop portion of the maneuver is sized so that the bottom
>      of the loop is at the same altitude as the entry line, then
>      the vertical up becomes the absolute center of the maneuver
>      no matter what size you make the overall maneuver. Makes it
>      very easy to judge the center of the maneuver, for both the
>      pilot and the judge. Troy's probably going to jump in here
>      and complain about too much detail, but as a judge I feel
>      every maneuver needs an absolute standard to be judged
>      against.When there's too much subjectivity allowed
>      everybodys personal bias gets thrown into the mix and
>      interpretations run wild.Draw this out at a few different
>      scales and you'll see what I mean.
>      Thanks again,
>      Georgie
>
>
>      don szczur wrote:
>
>     >  Georgie, I'm really sorry you are having difficulty with
>     > programming, I'll be happy to show you next time we see
>     > each other.   Never having done airbrake before (if you
>     > mean both ailerons up like when landing), I just turned it
>     > on and programmed it with the following: With the airbrake
>     > coming on at low throttle like when landing, here are the
>     > following steps (assuming you have wing type set to
>     > flaperon):Pick a mix (I used 51)  select throttle --->
>     > flap.  Go to "ORIG". then page back and hit the offset (I
>     > normally give it two clicks of throttle) then enter the
>     > percent mix (that you want the ailerons to go up).  Ooops,
>     > wrong direction ailerons are going down, just hit the
>     > "turn" button.  Done!  Want to turn it on/off with any
>     > switch? Just hit the page button and select one.  BTW,
>     > "ORIG" is used so that if you have to make trim changes to
>     > throttle, it won't effect the mix, just takes the raw
>     > stick movement.  Norm, is normal stick and trim and INCL
>     > adds in everything you have tied to it (like mixes). Don't
>     > want associated airbrakes with throttle stick position?
>     > Then just do the same 51, and mix gear to flaps (or any
>     > free channel to flap), and you're there.  Bump up the % to
>     > where you want it. Done.  In fact you can assign this to
>     > most any (gear, aux 2, aux 3, aux 4, aux 5) switch/lever
>     > by assigning therefore, and then going to your favorite
>     > code 17, disactivating the (master mix channel). Switch
>     > assignment- mixes can be assigned to any of your
>     > switch/lever of choice (E-F, MD, LD, MX, AU, GR, SNP, and
>     > stick position). Its harder to describe than to just dive
>     > in and program with the touch screen. The 5 flight modes
>     > that are available can be used for different setups (if
>     > you want to experiment trying different combinations
>     > during a flight for example)  Its an incredibly potent
>     > radio. BTW, To get the extra two rates, go to your
>     > favorite function 17 and select "extra" and you'll see FM3
>     > and FM4 appear in your Dual Rate/Expo (Code 13). I've set
>     > up 5 flight modes before. For example on my TOC plane I
>     > have normal flying (F0), 4 roll circles (F1), One roll
>     > circles (F2), 3D/ Freestyle (F3), and alternate 3D/
>     > Freestyle (F4).  Note for the back right switch, it gives
>     > you F0, F3 and F4, so you can always go back you your
>     > baseline F0 with just one switch movement.  Transmitter
>     > beeps if you turn it on and switch rate position is other
>     > than F0..  Useful if you don't want to take off in 3D
>     > mode. I will say, however, its up to personal
>     > preferences.  For example, on my pattern plane, I prefer
>     > just one switch (the aileron D/R) for changing all (Ail,
>     > elev, rudder) rates from low to high.  I make the centers
>     > the same (double expo on high) so I can switch rates
>     > during a maneuver, in fact even during a (loose) loop
>     > radius, and it will have the same feel and not "jerk" when
>     > I change rates.  If I could get by with just one rate and
>     > no switches at all, I would.  Chip does. Some pattern
>     > plane designs are already there. BTW, still have the
>     > double moose can muffler (as a spare)that I made from your
>     > great idea in case the multi $$ ES pipe fails. Don
>     >
>     >      -----Original Message-----
>     >      From: george kennie <geobet at gis.net>
>     >      To: discussion at nsrca.org <discussion at nsrca.org>
>     >      Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:12 PM
>     >      Subject: Re: JR "Unplugged"
>     >       I feel compelled to interject at this point
>     >      that my experience with the JR 10X  programming
>     >      has not been the piece of cake that others seem
>     >      to find it to be.
>     >
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