F-03 #10?

[Troy Newman]

Georgie,

I won't jump on you too hard...as that's one way to do it....

But the maneuver can be flown various ways with a longer 45 and tighter loops.......You can't make a statement that this is the way its suppose to be....because not everyone will fly it that way. 

BY the rules...the pilot need only maintain constant radii, a visible 45, a visible vertical 2/2 on the upline, a visible vertical, and center the whole maneuver.....That's it!......You can't dictate to the pilot how to do it beyond this. This is the rule book explanation nothing more and nothing less. In fact the rules say that the judge is not to downgrade based on the radii size and line length is not a judging criteria unless there are geometry issues that require same line lengths. Power of one model is not a criteria over the lack of power in another model as long as geometry is preserved.


Are you advocating new judging criteria that is not in the book?


You know I love ya Georgie!

Troy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: george kennie 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: JR "Unplugged"


  Don, 
  Thanks for taking the time to respond. It was not expected, but appreciated. I have your responce printed out for reference. 
  I also received an additional help from another concerned individual who sent me an article from Horizon on programming the 10-X which just happened to be 35 pages in length, but I was unable to print it. It activates a non-accessable dialogue box. Duh! 
  Regarding switch assignments: E-F, MD, LD, MX, AU, GR, SNP, STK,......I'm aware that MX refers to the mix switch, GR the gear switch, SNP the snap switch, and STK the throttle lever, but am in the dark regarding the rest. Could you define E-F, MD, LD, AU, .......AU sounds like it would be an Auxilliary switch, but which one? Also, is it possible to assign anything to the Flap Switch (not the flap lever), the one that says "elev and land" beside it? 
  Thanks for explaining "Normal, Include, and Origin" . 
  I'm using the Elev D/R switch for activation of my flight mode which prompts me to ask, are you flying mode one or two? 
  On the subject of the mousse can, the one I had on my Schmooze is going on a new airplane this season so I have gotten more longevity from it than I originally anticipated. 
  Oh, while I've got you, that #10 maneuver in F-03. I got thinking about that the other nite and it occurred to me after drawing out several variations of the maneuver that if the loop portion of the maneuver is sized so that the bottom of the loop is at the same altitude as the entry line, then the vertical up becomes the absolute center of the maneuver no matter what size you make the overall maneuver. Makes it very easy to judge the center of the maneuver, for both the pilot and the judge. Troy's probably going to jump in here and complain about too much detail, but as a judge I feel every maneuver needs an absolute standard to be judged against.When there's too much subjectivity allowed everybodys personal bias gets thrown into the mix and interpretations run wild.Draw this out at a few different scales and you'll see what I mean. 
  Thanks again, 
  Georgie 
    
  don szczur wrote: 

     Georgie, I'm really sorry you are having difficulty with programming, I'll be happy to show you next time we see each other.   Never having done airbrake before (if you mean both ailerons up like when landing), I just turned it on and programmed it with the following: With the airbrake coming on at low throttle like when landing, here are the following steps (assuming you have wing type set to flaperon):Pick a mix (I used 51)  select throttle ---> flap.  Go to "ORIG". then page back and hit the offset (I normally give it two clicks of throttle) then enter the percent mix (that you want the ailerons to go up).  Ooops, wrong direction ailerons are going down, just hit the "turn" button.  Done!  Want to turn it on/off with any switch? Just hit the page button and select one.  BTW,  "ORIG" is used so that if you have to make trim changes to throttle, it won't effect the mix, just takes the raw stick movement.  Norm, is normal stick and trim and INCL adds in everything you have tied to it (like mixes). Don't want associated airbrakes with throttle stick position? Then just do the same 51, and mix gear to flaps (or any free channel to flap), and you're there.  Bump up the % to where you want it. Done.  In fact you can assign this to most any (gear, aux 2, aux 3, aux 4, aux 5) switch/lever by assigning therefore, and then going to your favorite code 17, disactivating the (master mix channel). Switch assignment- mixes can be assigned to any of your switch/lever of choice (E-F, MD, LD, MX, AU, GR, SNP, and stick position). Its harder to describe than to just dive in and program with the touch screen. The 5 flight modes that are available can be used for different setups (if you want to experiment trying different combinations during a flight for example)  Its an incredibly potent radio. BTW, To get the extra two rates, go to your favorite function 17 and select "extra" and you'll see FM3 and FM4 appear in your Dual Rate/Expo (Code 13). I've set up 5 flight modes before. For example on my TOC plane I have normal flying (F0), 4 roll circles (F1), One roll circles (F2), 3D/ Freestyle (F3), and alternate 3D/ Freestyle (F4).  Note for the back right switch, it gives you F0, F3 and F4, so you can always go back you your baseline F0 with just one switch movement.  Transmitter beeps if you turn it on and switch rate position is other than F0..  Useful if you don't want to take off in 3D mode. I will say, however, its up to personal preferences.  For example, on my pattern plane, I prefer just one switch (the aileron D/R) for changing all (Ail, elev, rudder) rates from low to high.  I make the centers the same (double expo on high) so I can switch rates during a maneuver, in fact even during a (loose) loop radius, and it will have the same feel and not "jerk" when I change rates.  If I could get by with just one rate and no switches at all, I would.  Chip does. Some pattern plane designs are already there. BTW, still have the double moose can muffler (as a spare)that I made from your great idea in case the multi $$ ES pipe fails. Don    
      -----Original Message----- 
      From: george kennie <geobet at gis.net> 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org <discussion at nsrca.org> 
      Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:12 PM 
      Subject: Re: JR "Unplugged" 
       I feel compelled to interject at this point that my experience with the JR 10X  programming has not been the piece of cake that others seem to find it to be.
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