Painting - What's Airbrush are U using

[Amir Neshati]

Verne's got the sweetest of the touch-up guns....Here's a link where
you can get the Sata Mini Jet 3 for right at $200....The SR version
with the 1.0 tip is ideal for what we do...The SR version has a 7" fan
versus the non-SR, which has a 6" fan....The SR is supposed to spray
heavier materials with more ease...but either will be great
www.everhartsales.com
http://www.autobodydepot.net/

I've used a DeVilbiss touch-up gun and it's nice, shoots Concept paint
at around 20 psi and the automotive primers at around 40 psi...It's
clean and work perfectly.....Yours for $60 shipped with the 8 oz cup.

Sears has some good deals on compressors at times. I got a 6hp, 30 Gal.,
with 12 cfm for $280.....You need to see the CFM rating on the gun and the
compressor
to get an idea of how the compressor will keep up with the gun. For the
small
areas we do, most 3hp, 20ish gallon compressors will do. Most HVLP touch-up
guns are rated around 3.5 to 5 CFM with max fans in the 5"ish to 7"ish....
the full size HVLPs are anywhere from 7ish CFM to 15+ CFM with max fans
of about 9" to 12"ish max.

Here are some other sites for info on sprayers we could use:
www.devilbiss.com
www.sata.com
www.binks.com
www.sharpe1.com

I've looked on E-Bay for a few things, including paint sprayers....You can
find a
few good retailers on there with competitive pricing...Read about
DeVilbisses
full size guns, as they come with multiple fluid caps and the paint
bags...Neat!

Well, that should keep you busy enough...

Amir










----- Original Message -----
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Painting - What's Airbrush are U using


> Stephen,
> I just bought a Sata Minijet 3 HVLP last year. Just starting to get used
to
> it, but it's one sweet machine. A little Internet shopping will find one
for
> a little over $200.00. A little pricey, but it'll stay with you and do
> everything you want unless you get into full-scale or cars. I have a 1 hp
> compressor which really isn't enough for an hvlp gun but I'm getting away
> with it because I'm painting small areas. If I were buying new, I'd go
with
> a 5-hp. They don't cost much more and will fill all your future needs.
>
> Verne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tomic, Stephen" <stomic at CoorsTek.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:16 PM
> Subject: Painting - What's Airbrush are U using
>
>
> > What airbrush are you guys using ? I'm getting ready to purchase one (
> > already have an air compressor) so any input would be welcome!
> > Thanks,
> > Stephen
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Verne Koester [mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:08 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Painting
> >
> >
> > Keith,
> > Thanks, I've done this sort of thing before as well. In the current
case,
> > I'm trying to keep the paint job to the absolute minimum weight gain.
> >
> > Verne
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at attbi.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: Painting
> >
> >
> > > First off I need to point out that I'm a super duper novice at
painting,
> > but
> > > I'm learning (the hard way in most cases). Also, given that I don't
know
> > > your color scheme my comments may not apply, but here it goes anyway.
> > >
> > > When I painted my Aries I tried to make sure to lay down the lighter
> > colors
> > > first and then cover with the darker colors. This allowed me to butt
the
> > > colors up to each other while only laying down one tape strip between
> > > colors.
> > >
> > > For example, I painted the bottom 3/4 of the plane white with no
masking
> > at
> > > all. Then I masked off everything I wanted to leave white and sprayed
my
> > > yellow coat. Note, that I didn't worry about masking areas that would
be
> > > painted the next color (red), I just allowed the yellow to overlap
those
> > > areas slightly. I then masked off everything I wanted to stay yellow
or
> > > white and sprayed my red coat. This means that the red was sprayed
over
> > the
> > > yellow where the yellow and red meet, but since red easily covers
yellow
> I
> > > didn't worry about it.  I then masked off everything except for a
strip
> I
> > > wanted to paint dark blue and then sprayed the dark blue.
> > >
> > > To me this seemed like a good approach because laying down a tape
strip
> > > exactly on an existing color line seems like it would be very
difficult
> > and
> > > error prone. I just didn't worry if an earlier color accidentally
> sprayed
> > on
> > > a location that would be covered by a later (darker) color. BTW, my
> seams
> > > came out great.
> > >
> > > I suppose that my practices may be a bad idea in some cases if the
color
> > > being sprayed over a previous color is light enough to have its tint
> > altered
> > > by the lower color, however in my case it worked fine. After
everything
> > was
> > > complete you wouldn't have any idea that there is yellow under the
red,
> > > white under the yellow, etc. Using this approach my seams came out
fine.
> > >
> > > As to sanding the seams I was advised to wait until I had all colors
> down
> > > before sanding, however I never re-taped a seam as you are describing.
> > >
> > > Hopefully these comments aren't totally off in left field :-)
> > >
> > > Keith Black
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Painting
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > > Thanks, this is the answer I was looking for. May have to go back to
> my
> > > old
> > > > scheme with white in between the colors. This is too much work!!!!
Of
> > > > course, the monocote will be easier w/o the white in between.....
> > > >
> > > > Verne
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Koenig, Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>
> > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:52 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Painting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree about clear over base..it can be a pain. It is quick
though.
> I
> > > > > unfortunately have gallons of the stuff..and I'm not changing
> systems
> > > > until
> > > > > I use it all up!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Down here its called PPG Cobra..the colours seem to be more
vibrant
> > than
> > > > any
> > > > > other system however.....looks great until the fuel gets under
> it!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > In your case I would knock down the edges as you go, thats how I
> used
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > it with a previous paint system.
> > > > > Van is on the money about pulling the tape once it has gone a
> little.
> > As
> > > > you
> > > > > have shot the first colour already, pull the tape and then knock
> down
> > > the
> > > > > edge, as Todd suggested.. For the following colours, do as Van
> > > > > suggests...but you may still have to do a bit of sanding inbetween
> > > > >
> > > > > Fear not ..it will work out ok. Good luck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > From: Verne Koester[SMTP:verne at twmi.rr.com]
> > > > > > Reply To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2003 12:36
> > > > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Painting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom,
> > > > > > I've only shot one color so far using Concept. However, all the
> tape
> > > is
> > > > in
> > > > > > place for all the colors. The real question here is what to do
> about
> > > > each
> > > > > > color after it's shot. Sand the little ridge right away, or just
> > butt
> > > up
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > it and sand after it's all done before the clear. BTW, this is
the
> > > first
> > > > > > time I've tried Concept (from Radio South) and so far, I like it
a
> > > lot.
> > > > > > Previously, I used PPG Acrylic Enamel and K&B Superpoxy. I've
> never
> > > > cared
> > > > > > for the idea of the basecoat system for fear of it
disintegrating
> > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > clear from fuel penetration.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Verne
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Koenig, Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>
> > > > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 10:18 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Painting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Verne,
> > > > > > > I'm assuming you're already done and now have a ridge.
> > > > > > > if you are using a clear -over base system ..be careful as
they
> do
> > > not
> > > > > > wet
> > > > > > > sand well. The colours will 'bleed' into each other if you do.
> > Just
> > > > > > scuff
> > > > > > > the edges dry with 1500 or finer , blow off the dust and then
> wipe
> > > > using
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > lightly damp chamois. Metallic's should not be sanded at all
if
> > you
> > > > can
> > > > > > > avoid it, if you have to, do it in one direction only, no
> circular
> > > > > > sanding
> > > > > > > at all. The scratches will show even under a clear coat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If it is a two pack colour already, go for your life and wet
> sand
> > > > > > lightly.
> > > > > > > You will then probably need to do a final wet sand once all
your
> > > > colours
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > down. Then give it a clear coat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For a real killer finish..then wet sand your clear coat and
> > machine
> > > > > > buff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > From: Verne Koester[SMTP:verne at twmi.rr.com]
> > > > > > > > Reply To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2003 11:45
> > > > > > > > To: NSRCA
> > > > > > > > Subject: Painting
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm in the process of painting my Smaragd and this is the
> first
> > > time
> > > > > > I've
> > > > > > > > chosen a color scheme where the colors butt up to each
other.
> In
> > > the
> > > > > > past,
> > > > > > > > I've always used a white separation stripe between each
color.
> > My
> > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > is whether you wet sand the ridge at the tape line before
you
> > mask
> > > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > next color, or do you just tape off the color that was
already
> > > > > > applied,
> > > > > > > > pull off the previous masking tape and shoot the next one.
I'm
> > > using
> > > > > > 3M
> > > > > > > > fine-line tape.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Verne
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
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