intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

[Tony Stillman]

Your are right!  If you use the old rule of 4-5 seconds for 3 rolls, you
will have about the right roll rate.  Start with this rate and work on the 2
rolls.  you will find learning the right amount of elevator is much easier
at this roll rate!

Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "wgalligan" <wgalligan at cnbcom.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions


> I have seen some people go through the two rolls(and 3 rolls of past) on
> what seems like super high rates.  No on in the right ability could time
the
> blips of corretion very good at the rates they roll.  Go to a slower rate
> till it is easy to control the inputs.  Slower rolls present better in my
> opinion and presentaion is the #2 criterion in the judging of manuvers.
You
> have a much more time in the box now then when we had to do threee rolls
so
> slow it down it try it from there.
>
> Wayne G.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Reed" <paul at judco.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:21 PM
> Subject: RE: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
>
>
> > Jim
> >
> > I'm an intermediate pilot who is currently practicing the two rolls
using
> a
> > "blip" of elevator @ 180 and 360 deg. My problem is consistency in
timing
> > and amount of elevator input. It is getting better but I'm not there
yet.
> >
> >
> > Paul Reed
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of D Suding
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:13 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Cc: jivey61 at msn.com
> > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
> >
> >
> > Jim-
> >
> > You are correct.  But even the guys with balanced planes were ALL OVER
the
> > sky on those rolls. I was watching their elevator input, and I thought
> > that this was a universal problem with the Intermediate guys.
> >
> > Even with a perfectly balanced plane, you're going to have to add
> > elevator, down-up-down-up.  But my point is to not let that elevator
input
> > throw you off course. I like to call it a "blip" of elevator.
> >
> > I would love to hear from an Intermediate pilot that goes out to the
field
> > tonight and tries it. Make sure you are flying high enough that a
mistake
> > isn't going to crash you.
> >
> > -Dennis
> >
> > > Dennis
> > >  These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance the
> > > planes so that they are as neutral upright as inverted, or very near
> > > as. The majority of the would go away.
> > >
> > > Jim Ivey
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: D Suding
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Cc: randy10926 at comcast.net
> > > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
> > >
> > > I noticed something in the Intermediate class while I was judging in
> > > Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad even when performed
by
> > > the best pilots. I think I know why.
> > >
> > > First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or left and wait
for
> > > plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much altitude.  You need
> > > elevator.
> > >
> > > Second, you don't start feeding the elevator when the plane gets past
90
> > > degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw.  I kept seeing this.
The
> > > plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some elevator,
> > > increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it followed through
to
> > > 270 and so on.
> > >
> > > Here's what you do:
> > >
> > > 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll 360 degrees.
> > >
> > > 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR EXCEPT AT 180 and 360
> > > DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it a SHORT, SHARP down
> > > elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at 360 degrees, give it a
> > > SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up again.
> > >
> > > Of course, to get picky, you actually start feeding elevator at ~175
> > > degrees, but the key is to really limit the duration of the elevator
> > > input so that your purpose is to correct for the effects of gravity
> > > only.
> > >
> > > 3) Practice one thousand times.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > -Dennis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a half roll.  The
inverted
> > >> flight should be centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.
> > >>
> > >> Randy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2 at cfl.rr.com>
> > >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am
> > >> Subject: intermediate 402
> > >>
> > >>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get the
> > >>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do another half
> > >>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or can u fint the
> > >>> drawings for these maneuvers
> > >>>
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