intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

[D Suding]

The same technique can be applied to the straight inverted flight.

Roll over at the same rate as your two rolls, but this time, stop rolling
at 180 degrees, and at this instant put in the down elevator.  This will
take a lot of practice. The key is "nail" the right amount of elevator at
the last possible moment before reaching the 180 degree mark. "Ride" that
elevator for 4 seconds, and let off the elevator completely BEFORE you
roll over. Just before you get back to upright, blip in UP elevator. Easy!

As Jim Ivey said earlier, you may have a nose-heavy plane. Well, then add
tail weight. Carefull, though. You should balance so that it takes about
1/8 the stick to hold inverted. If your plane is climbing when you roll
over to inverted, you've added too much tail weight!


> Your are right!  If you use the old rule of 4-5 seconds for 3 rolls, you
> will have about the right roll rate.  Start with this rate and work on
> the 2 rolls.  you will find learning the right amount of elevator is
> much easier at this roll rate!
>
> Tony Stillman
> Radio South
> 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> Pensacola, FL 32505
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wgalligan" <wgalligan at cnbcom.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
>
>
>> I have seen some people go through the two rolls(and 3 rolls of past)
>> on what seems like super high rates.  No on in the right ability could
>> time
> the
>> blips of corretion very good at the rates they roll.  Go to a slower
>> rate till it is easy to control the inputs.  Slower rolls present
>> better in my opinion and presentaion is the #2 criterion in the
>> judging of manuvers.
> You
>> have a much more time in the box now then when we had to do threee
>> rolls
> so
>> slow it down it try it from there.
>>
>> Wayne G.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Reed" <paul at judco.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:21 PM
>> Subject: RE: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
>>
>>
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > I'm an intermediate pilot who is currently practicing the two rolls
> using
>> a
>> > "blip" of elevator @ 180 and 360 deg. My problem is consistency in
> timing
>> > and amount of elevator input. It is getting better but I'm not there
> yet.
>> >
>> >
>> > Paul Reed
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>> > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of D Suding
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:13 PM
>> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> > Cc: jivey61 at msn.com
>> > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
>> >
>> >
>> > Jim-
>> >
>> > You are correct.  But even the guys with balanced planes were ALL
>> OVER
> the
>> > sky on those rolls. I was watching their elevator input, and I
>> thought that this was a universal problem with the Intermediate
>> guys.
>> >
>> > Even with a perfectly balanced plane, you're going to have to add
>> elevator, down-up-down-up.  But my point is to not let that elevator
> input
>> > throw you off course. I like to call it a "blip" of elevator.
>> >
>> > I would love to hear from an Intermediate pilot that goes out to the
> field
>> > tonight and tries it. Make sure you are flying high enough that a
> mistake
>> > isn't going to crash you.
>> >
>> > -Dennis
>> >
>> > > Dennis
>> > >  These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance
>> the
>> > > planes so that they are as neutral upright as inverted, or very
>> near as. The majority of the would go away.
>> > >
>> > > Jim Ivey
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: D Suding
>> > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM
>> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> > > Cc: randy10926 at comcast.net
>> > > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
>> > >
>> > > I noticed something in the Intermediate class while I was judging
>> in Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad even when
>> performed
> by
>> > > the best pilots. I think I know why.
>> > >
>> > > First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or left and
>> wait
> for
>> > > plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much altitude.  You
>> need elevator.
>> > >
>> > > Second, you don't start feeding the elevator when the plane gets
>> past
> 90
>> > > degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw.  I kept seeing this.
> The
>> > > plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some
>> elevator, increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it
>> followed through
> to
>> > > 270 and so on.
>> > >
>> > > Here's what you do:
>> > >
>> > > 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll 360
>> degrees.
>> > >
>> > > 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR EXCEPT AT 180 and 360
>> DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it a SHORT, SHARP
>> down elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at 360 degrees,
>> give it a SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up again.
>> > >
>> > > Of course, to get picky, you actually start feeding elevator at
>> ~175 degrees, but the key is to really limit the duration of the
>> elevator input so that your purpose is to correct for the effects
>> of gravity only.
>> > >
>> > > 3) Practice one thousand times.
>> > >
>> > > Hope this helps.
>> > >
>> > > -Dennis
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a half roll.  The
> inverted
>> > >> flight should be centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.
>> > >>
>> > >> Randy
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2 at cfl.rr.com>
>> > >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am
>> > >> Subject: intermediate 402
>> > >>
>> > >>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get the
>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do another half
>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or can u fint the
>> drawings for these maneuvers
>> > >>>
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